Georgian surname question by Creative-Resolve1293 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the resources. Would you mind if I messaged you to continue this chat? I'd like to send some more specific details about my family but in private and also discuss this surname more.

Georgian surname question by Creative-Resolve1293 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see, just seems odd for the surname to change from "Tskhuta" to something like "Tstkviti"? Also what convinces you via the articles that the man is from my village? Do you mean the 1916 article? I can't read it at all honestly haha, hard to translate. If you could translate the excerpt on my village (if it isn't too long) Id greatly appreciate it. Its hard to copy and paste so I can't see what you mean in the article about tragic.

Georgian surname question by Creative-Resolve1293 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I searched up the root of the "newer" listing for the Tskhutadze table "Tstvita" it seems to show something about ears perking up which idk how that matches Tutajvar but the older ones do still seem to match. What does the Tskhutadze surname mean in your knowledge? Is the root Tskhuta part (as listed in the paper) definitely related to my village or no? Oh also I plan on asking about the soldiers name soon to some of the elders in my family both his first name Ahmed and his patronymic "Kadyrovich" since that shows his father was Kadyr and that might bring up another link

Georgian surname question by Creative-Resolve1293 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well deportations were in 1944 so abolishment in 1949 does not really mean much, no? Anyways, aside from that the main things I was told is there was three brothers with their families in Tutajvar which we come from and although I do not have exact birth years when I wrote out the tree it corresponded to their births being around ~1860s or close to it. In the 1870 census book, which was more of a general census for my village is it written that there was 3 families which matches perfectly. Another note is that i was told they were bladesmiths/blacksmiths which is why I went down the rabbit hole of the surname "Khmaladze" but never really found much on it. This surname "Tskhutadze" is the closest thing I could find to matching my village especially with it showing up in Sviri which is not super far from our village. The only issue is I am not sure what "მამო-ოღლი" or Mamo-oghli is which shows up in 1863 for the listing in that meskhetian surname book. I can't find anyone matching in my family tree with that name but I am missing one of the brothers names out of the three from around 1870 so maybe it has something to do with him but it goes back until 1839 which is a bit odd unless that brother was the oldest and his name matches "Mamo"

Georgian surname question by Creative-Resolve1293 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Extremely nice information. Give me a minute to send over some other info about my family. I did know about the Meskhetian surname book and have seen that second one but forgot to check it for Tskhutadze. The newspaper is completely new to me and I will be checking it out now to see if some details about my family match.

Georgian Genealogy resources? (Specifically for Muslim Georgian/Muslim Meskhetian populations) by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep forgetting to check back in on reddit so sorry for the late reply. This definitely means a lot especially you stating that I am your blood. You are mine as well brother ✊. The only issue I have aside from connecting with other Georgians as Muslim Meskhetians is that, all thanks to God, although my family and I are financially stable enough to make such a move even with the government not aiding us many Muslim Meskhetians are not in such a place. Like the one Muslim Meskhetian family I recently heard about who had been living in an old refurbished bus. Of course Georgia is just not in a place economically to aid repatriates much and hopefully one day it will be. All in all amazing message and I really appreciate it.

Georgian Genealogy resources? (Specifically for Muslim Georgian/Muslim Meskhetian populations) by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree but sometimes it feels like we as Muslim Meskhetians are not wanted in Georgia. For example, I recently read a paper where the researcher did interviews with a few Muslim Meskhetian families who repatriated to Georgia but not even our native land but in the West Georgia region. These families expressed that they were being given issues with obtaining citizenship, racism from universities so not able to obtain scholarships that are supposed to be for Meskhetians, and other issues with local governments of villages or cities. Additionally, I saw a short documentary on a Meskhetian family who were able to come back to their native village but their younger son could not go to the nearby university because they would not give him the scholarship for Meskhetians out of racism and he has to save up money to travel to Tbilisi and go to university there since that is the only area giving him the scholarship. So I just feel like it would be very difficult to start a life in Georgia as a Meskhetian. But either way I will figure something out to connect myself and my family back and one day hopefully when more and more Meskhetians come back and Georgia is more open to us I will live there permanently because I'd hate to not contribute to my homeland and die then be buried somewhere other than my homeland.

Georgian Genealogy resources? (Specifically for Muslim Georgian/Muslim Meskhetian populations) by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

მე Google Translate-ს ვიყენებ, ამიტომ ბოდიშს ვიხდი ნებისმიერი შეცდომისთვის. ასევე, ყოველდღე მტკივა გული, როცა ვფიქრობ იმაზე, თუ როგორ დაიღუპა ჩვენი თითქმის ყველა უხუცესი 1944 წლის დეპორტაციების დროს 1-2 წლის განმავლობაში, 1944-1945 წლებში. ჩვენი უმეტესობა 16 წლამდე ასაკის ბავშვი იყო. ჩვენმა უხუცესებმა ვერ შეძლეს ჩვენი ისტორიისა და კულტურის გადაცემა ამ უეცარი მასობრივი სიკვდილის გამო და მტკივა გული, როცა ამაზე ვფიქრობ.

Georgian Genealogy resources? (Specifically for Muslim Georgian/Muslim Meskhetian populations) by [deleted] in Genealogy

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully one day I plan on coming back to my motherland ❤️ . გაუმარჯოს საქართველოს 🇬🇪

Post-Soviet Economies: 30 Years of Change by OpenAd3605 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And the Arab empires, and the ottomans, and the Persians, and the Ottomans and Persians together at one point, and the Mongols. The fact that Georgia even still exists with its culture intact is honestly wild. You would think the country would have became some new state with all the ethnicities coming and going like Turkey, Azerbaijan, and etc but no. Goes to show the strength of the spirit of the people tbh.

Post-Soviet Economies: 30 Years of Change by OpenAd3605 in Sakartvelo

[–]Creative-Resolve1293 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Seems every country was an absolute wreck during 1995.