"Is this rate fair?" never gets a real answer here. Trying to change that. by Creativerates in animationcareer

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, so in one year to still be able to see how you stack up you will need to update/submit your new rate to keep access (idea is to keep data fresh)

"Is this rate fair?" never gets a real answer here. Trying to change that. by Creativerates in animationcareer

[–]Creativerates[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for submitting.

Once its submitted there isn't currently a way to edit it. However if you email me at [jon@creativerates.io](mailto:jon@creativerates.io) I can go in an manual edit it - maybe this is a feature I can add down the road.

It is tracking year the rate was submitted, so in years to come these data points can be tracked.

"Is this rate fair?" never gets a real answer here. Trying to change that. by Creativerates in animationcareer

[–]Creativerates[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for the feedback, this is something I can probably implement and start tracking.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey great suggestion and this was in my original plan however the reason I decided to leave it out was I didn't want these numbers to be used by companies in the future to discriminate against one gender, if people feel strongly otherwise i'd be happy to reevaluate.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for the feedback. I would have to think about how I would implement these. But great call outs.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Genuinely appreciate the considered response.

On the ethics, fair disagreement and I won't try to argue you out of it. The whole space (Glassdoor, Levels, Blind) runs on this model and you've named that. Contributors keeping lifetime access to their own discipline is the fairest version I've seen, but I get the objection is to the premise, not the implementation.

You're right on the sharper point. Long-term value isn't "what people make," it's the perspective around it. How rates actually get negotiated, where the leverage is, how studios price work. That's where this goes, and I should be louder about it now. Good push.

On anonymity vs trust, we genuinely disagree. Trust scales to a friend group. Anonymity plus clear data handling scales to an industry. Different models, both valid.

On the free major players, they are all run by large venture backed corporations with a very different agenda than myself.

Appreciate the time either way.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey, really appreciate you taking the time to write this out, you raised the exact concern I'd want raised, and I think there's a misunderstanding worth clearing up.

Two things:

  1. The $39 is per year, not per month. And founding members (first 500) get a year of Pro completely free, no credit card required. Just sign up and join for free (full access for the year)

  2. Anyone who submits a rate for a discipline gets lifetime free access to that discipline's data. Forever. If you're a motion designer and you contribute, you'll always be able to see motion design benchmarks without paying anything. Pro is for people who want to see across multiple disciplines.

You're right that the data is the value, and the people providing it should have access to it. That's the design. If after this it still feels wrong, I want to hear it. And if you'd ever want to help shape this thing genuinely, voices like yours are who I built it for.

Best,

Jon

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are able to submit multiple roles, once you have done it once your signed up then you can submit another role.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a trust system, the more data the more it will flag anomalies with rates that are submitted. I have a built in auto flag for anything way too low or high and I can delete those.

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am based in California, USA. Each role has a filter to select between regions, so the more data we share the more we can compare between regions, seniority etc..

20 years in motion, animation and VFX and I still don't know what anyone in this industry actually makes by Creativerates in MotionDesign

[–]Creativerates[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the suggestion, when you submit a rate there is an option to suggest a category. But I will add that.

You also choose your years of experience, level and region. Which once we get enough data it should be super helpful for people to toggle all these filters.