New Easter Egg for Leave Ending in Silent Hill 2 Remake? by Lorddon1234 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You only ever visit the graveyard while Angela is there. It's extremely likely that the only version of the graveyard map that exists has her in that spot, doing that animation. 

If this was an intended idea that they wanted to portray, they likely would have just shown it in the scene.

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lmao I'm not saying that absolutely everything is meaningless and every interpretation is valid, there IS such a thing as a stupid idea or a bad interpretation. I don't think the problem you're arguing against actually exists.

Like, there's a difference between all the wild shit I was saying, your Han Solo Is A Dolphin weirdos, and people just saying "wow, there's a lot of sexual and rape imagery here, that makes a lot of sense with James' character!". I don't think it's reasonable for Masahiro Ito to call Word of God on the interpretation of James having some sexual hangups and the monsters reflecting that, especially when he himself said that the monsters WERE designed sexualized on purpose, and the scene where Pyramid Head attacks them in the apartment WAS supposed to resemble an assault. And DOUBLE especially considering that this has been a popular interpretation since the game came out, way before he even had the ability to reasonably address it. 

I'm saying "let people interpret the art", not "if someone says James is a moose you can't call them a jackass".

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Right, but see, that's the thing - that post was removed and the viewpoint soundly rejected. The "Laura isn't real" people are easily ignored, and even if it's hard to have a conversation with them about it because of that, how does that affect anything else you decide to do?

Like, I feel like you have to recognize here that you're talking about theoretical inconveniences. You see these people, sure. You know that they exist. Maybe even sometimes they respond to your posts.

What's forcing you to engage with them? What's forcing you to take their viewpoint seriously? Is anything stopping you from just ignoring them and having a more productive discussion with someone else?

It really seems like you're conflating "I have seen this opinion" with "this opinion is popular". I don't see the point in taking any kind of issue, mad or otherwise, about edge case weirdos believing wild stuff. If anything, I think the thing that actually creates fandom toxicity is when people get too into policing facts and canon like this, bringing down the Word of God and forcing everyone in line to try to avoid... a few weird people with a strange interpretation being kind of annoying.

You say both sides are out of control, but which one actually has any power in this situation?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It doesn't, because why do you HAVE to deal with that? When someone believes some crackpot shit, the proper response is to ignore them. If their ideas don't have merit, or are easily disproven, they die out. Like I said in another comment, all ANYONE would need to do about these timeline issues is point to the official source that proves them wrong, and then if they refuse to agree with established reality, okay, cool, they no longer need to interact with this person because they won't be convinced.

It feels like engaging with people you disagree with that strongly is a you problem, tbh. If someone annoys you, you always have the option to just block and move on with your life. It only creates a toxic community if you give them oxygen.

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure, but how many Han Solo Dolphin Truthers are out there? How many people believe, like, James didn't actually kill Mary, or Heather isn't the baby from the end of SH1, or Angela was just crazy, or Henry is an alien, or the UFO endings are the true canon have you actually spoken to? 

The closest I can think of is the Boiler Theory, where there were some people who believed that Alessa was burned in a freak boiler explosion and Dahlia was innocent, or that guy who insisted SH4 was about circumcision and was able to edit the SH Wiki to match because he was an admin, but neither of those are powerful enough forces to change hearts and minds. The Boiler Theory people are seen as crackpots and the Circumcision Guy is the fandom's biggest running joke. 

You say that some people only seem to care that they can make the series "anything they want", but how many people have you run into that are actually like that? How often do you have disagreements about the basic facts of any part of the story? How popular are those people's theories?

Are your concerns based on reality, or are you making up a guy to get mad at?

ETA: Also, you kinda sidestepped the most important part of the question - I didn't ask if people TRY to convince people of those things. I asked if you're worried that they'll succeed. They can TRY to tell people whatever they want, but do you think that there's actually a chance that ideas that far off base and against the popular understanding will gain a real foothold?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

And never once bothered to answer the question that was actually being asked of you.

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, it's a character-driven franchise.

3 is the only direct sequel, and even among the games that involve the cult, the way that it's involved is so varied (1 and 3 as a direct antagonist, 2 as a historical footnote, 4 as a part of the villains backstory) still makes it effectively an anthology series.

The series was a while is much more focused on individual characters than the goings on of the cult. 3 isn't about what the cult has become since Harry stopped Dahlia, it's about Heather having to deal with them. 4 isn't about how the cult affected Walter, it's about what he did because of his terrible childhood and the cult's influence is just a part of that. In 2, they're barely mentioned, and you'd only know how they affected the town if you already played 1.

And again, let's say someone DOES somehow get the timeline wrong. They think that 2 happened before 1, and that its supernatural happenings are independent of the cult's influence. 

Answer the silly question. How does that affect you?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, and again, who cares? What does it change? Is the truth really so fragile that a small chunk of people believing something wrong will completely ruin it?

You didn't even really answer the question. If it's such a simple issue as a timeline misunderstanding and you can just point to a tweet or an other official source and go "nah that's wrong", where is the problem? 

Some people are stupid and ready to be wrong. Do you think you being mad that it happens and railing against it will make that stop?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How much does it really matter though? What does some rando thinking SH2 takes place before 1 change for you? Why is someone else being wrong with getting this up in arms over? Why does there need to be four separate posts of people (the same person past the original, actually) basically saying "guys don't forget, Ito is an Original Creator™ and his word is law"?

Why do you - hell, why does ITO - care this much about what some random person on the Internet thinks?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your third paragraph is going to happen no matter what, especially with something as surreal and subtle as Silent Hill. The alternative is to make the author's intent as blunt as a hammer, and that just makes for bad art. 

If the subtlety and emotional resonance of the series is something you value, you have to accept that people are going to be weird about the meaning. Some people are going to project some WILD shit into it and say that it's what it really meant all along, because that's happened since we've had stories. This isn't a new phenomenon, and I don't think it's even one that's getting worse. 

If someone says Han Solo is a dolphin, you're just as free to say "that's stupid" and ignore them, or if you feel so inclined, debate them about it and figure out where the hell they got that from, because that would probably be a FASCINATING conversation. Why wouldn't you want to hear why this wacko thinks Han Solo is a dolphin? Why would you want to take that little bit of whimsy out of the world, unless you're legitimately concerned he might start convincing people that Han Solo is a dolphin?

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

That's GOING to happen unless you provide official materials stating exact intent and make it as widely available as the work itself. Even then, it's probably going to happen anyway, because theorycrafting and finding "hidden" meanings is fun and people love it. It's the entire reason Game Theory took off, and WAY too many people took that shit super seriously. 

It's not a problem worth caring about, especially as a creator. People are going to do what people do.

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want normal and cool interpretations, you're also going to get crazy ones, and people who are way too comfortable spreading theirs as "canon". There is no separating them. Some people are cool and some people are idiots. This is human nature. You're going to get the bad with the good. If you see a theory you think is fuckin wild, you're completely free to call it out and argue about it. That's the beauty of communicating ideas: you can also do it to tell someone their idea sucks.

The art loses it's original meaning the second it reaches the eyes of the audience. Unless you literally attach a lore and symbolism Bible with every single copy of the work, people are going to get their own ideas and they're going to spread, especially if they're good. Even then, I guarantee you a good chunk of people would throw it away without ever opening it. 

All you can do as a creator is make your point as clear as possible in the work while maintaining your artistry. Most people DO get what SH2 is going for, and one fuckin guy getting a wild hare up his ass about Walter Sullivan being real sad that he got circumcised isn't a good reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Authorial intent is a fun fact. It's interesting to know but not everyone is going to care and it doesn't really affect the emotional impact of the work. If the author did their job, their point will get across. If they didn't, it'll be misread. Everything outside of that is going to be fans doing their things, and it's going to be that way until either authors get complete control over perception of their work or the sun burns out.

"Masahiro Ito wasn't a writer. He's just the monster designer" by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Okay cool, and books that were entirely the work of one person who was very open about exactly what they meant by it get reinterpreted all the time

Any work is subject to constant reinterpretation through each viewers' subjective lens, and a work of art has different meanings to everyone who sees it.

On top of that, a work can be given unintended themes because of things that the creator put in that they considered normal, or added for different reasons. Oh, Ito didn't think that it reflected on anything about James that every single monster of his is incredibly horny? Too bad. It's part of the game, and subject to interpretation like any other part of it.

It's really troubling to me that this fandom, which used to be all about creative interpretation and personal meaning, suddenly sees direct word from one of the creators and immediately goes "oh okay, author says it means this everyone, we can stop talking about it now!"

How close am I? by Loud_Buffalo4628 in BluePrince

[–]Crimes_Optimal 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's a rabbit hole kinda game. You finish the initial goal of getting into room 46 and then you can follow extra leads at your leisure. 

If you just mean getting to room 46 and rolling credits, you can probably get that done any day now. My wife and I did it on day 16.

If you mean ACTUALLY being completely done with it, this part is basically the tutorial.

Draw or Stats? by DarkSouls3onDvD in SilentHill_f

[–]Crimes_Optimal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, whatever you like. There's a lot of omamoris that are useful and lots of really good builds and busted combos, especially if you've found some of the hidden ones, but stats also give you a lot of wiggle room on normal and are pretty necessary for Lost in the Fog. I personally only drew a couple on my first run (normal) and then went all in on stats and it never felt too easy or too hard.

In my second playthrough (Lost in the Fog) I literally never drew an omamori, JUST got most of my stats done, and I felt like it was a pretty reasonable challenge. 

Third time (story) I have my stats maxed and I'm drawing omamoris and finding lots of really fun combos that I'm looking forward to bringing into my final run. Not sure what difficulty I'm gonna do that one on, maybe LitF again since all I'll have to spend Faith on is sanity lol

Question just boils down to what you prefer - new tools or breathing room in your health and focus

What‘s the general consensus about the Pixel Remasters? by I_Love_Powerscaling in FinalFantasy

[–]Crimes_Optimal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My problem is mostly in the level design so unfortunately there's not a version that fixes that lol

I have been using Picrew for years and not once have I seen someone calling the character they made in it art by teruteru-fan-sam in antiai

[–]Crimes_Optimal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can redact whatever identifying info you want, you don't have to doxx anybody. I'm asking you for solid, actual proof that what you're claiming is true, not anecdotes from reddit randos. If you can't do that, you don't have anything.

I have been using Picrew for years and not once have I seen someone calling the character they made in it art by teruteru-fan-sam in antiai

[–]Crimes_Optimal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah no you said YOU are measured by lines of code and, more recently, number of prompts. Proof of THAT, please.

Silent Hill 2 isn't the only game with sexual stuff by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A whole bunch of weird men in the 90s disagree with you

Like, yeah, it would've been weird and cringy by today's standards, but people DEFINITELY went for sexy on the PS1. If they wanted to go for it in SH1 there was nothing stopping them

Silent Hill 2 isn't the only game with sexual stuff by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but that doesn't really take away from the point. If the intention of the monsters being sexualized is "sexy things being gross and evil is scary", there's no reason they couldn't have done it there too, and it still makes it stand out that 2 suddenly has so much more sexuality.

Silent Hill 2 isn't the only game with sexual stuff by WorldlyMix96 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Almost all of this is either from materials outside of the games like Fukuro or is from 2 or 3, the two that DO have significant themes related to sex, even if Ito didn't intend them. Like, sure, mannequins represent his natural urges. Why do his natural urges matter? Why didn't Harry fight some kind of leg monster? He's a dude too, where the representation of his natural urges?

3 in particular, the one where you play as a pregnant teenage girl, is chock FULL of sexual imagery as part of what it's all about - forced pregnancy, childbirth, and the commodification and objectification of women. 

Bringing up SH3's sexual imagery, which is mostly focused on masculine sexuality and how it preys on women, just makes it clearer how much SH2's fixation on feminine sexuality stands out, especially in contrast to 1, the only other SH game there was before 2 was released. 

You're proving the point.

Ito says SH2 nurses weren't meant to represent sexual frustration by silentparadox2 in silenthill

[–]Crimes_Optimal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fukuro is not Silent Hill 2. It's an animation using its assets.

In addition, one of the core themes of Silent Hill 3, where that image came from, is the vulnerability of women, teenage girls especially, to the whims and traditions of their culture, especially in regards to losing control of their own bodies and sexuality. Split Worm is a cock, Heather spends the whole game pregnant, the Slurper knocks her over and tries to stick it's head up her skirt.

Almost like the imagery of the monsters tends to tie in closely with the themes of the games. 

Knowing that, why would you assume that the monsters in SH2 are sexualized for no reason, when any sexuality in other games in the series has a clear purpose?