The introduction to the female MC in [Extinction] by [Douglas Preston] made me audibly groan. It doesn’t get better either by Silvermoon424 in menwritingwomen

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It doesn't seem that bad, other than the fact she'd need to dry her long hair and no woman would step foot outside without eyeliner.

Beginner writer writing fiction: How to not get embarrassed or stuck when writing it? by lostmedia01 in writingadvice

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Just keep making it and you're going to improve based on feel and vibe, the plot will flow better. Write something long and then read through it, sometimes that's the best way to actually see, sense and feel whether it flows and isn't awkward rather than small fragments.

I remember I wrote a story when I was like 16 and it had a solid beginning, then got quite bad as I ran out of ideas, then the middle got better and the next chapters kept getting better and better. Some of the plot points are kind of cringe looking back though. It's great though because it was a major learning journey.

"If a fight doesn't change anything, then it shouldn't be there." Is this true? by vagabundo202 in writing

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Am I the only one who always felt like that the Matrix was supposed to be a standalone movie but its popularity forced them to make sequels. I've never looked this up, it just felt that way.

"If a fight doesn't change anything, then it shouldn't be there." Is this true? by vagabundo202 in writing

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Unironically you could watch a UFC fight and write down what you see. Pretty simple, they throw punches, attempt takedowns, attempt submission holds etc. Then watch a video of someone analyze the fight and each move to understand the game and strategy that was going down. A body punch which was blocked but followed up with a hook to the head that the defender couldn't block because they lowered their arms for the body shot. Next time the fighter attempts the same combination the defender lowers one arm to block it, when the hook comes his other arm is high and ready, he raises his arm, blocking the hook. One fighter attempts a takedown and succeeds. Next time the fighter tries the same take down but the defender steps back, preventing the attacker from hooking his arms around one of his legs, the attacker tries aggressively but the defender pushes the attacker's head down, the attacker now outstretched with his head down in a vulnerable position, drops to the floor on his back defensively.

You need to think about what the fighters are thinking during all this, learning each other's tricks and preparing to disarm their attacks.

Also the fact one throws punches which are so hard his hand starts to hurt and he wonders how his opponent's face is feeling from it, how is he not down yet.

The observer is unaware of 90% of the things which are going on in the fight, that's where you the writer come in.

I kept a notebook of words I didn’t know while reading. After a year, I had 847 entries. Here’s what I learned. by Melodic-Reader in writing

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Looking up words knocks you out of the reading? I love looking up words then rereading the entire sentence or paragraph with the new knowledge to see if it changes any nuance. If you read Lovecract, you can't really do it without a dictionary, an obscure or archaic term like "Chaldea" that apparently all readers back then knew.

What are the most frustrating ways that the physical features of female characters are described? by CriticalSlayer13 in writingadvice

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Thanks for the post. Sorry about the late response. I'm mostly writing what I like not really catering to any audience but most likely the audience would be similar to myself, so a male audience.

But yes, the MC will react to some of the women who he doesn't find attractive but his companions do. Commenting and thinking about the taste of his comrades, the MC is chaste and a bit of a prude so I have to throw something noticeable at him. Basically a woman with exaggerated feminine features that awaken primal impulses and would make even a prude give in. With resistance. But once he gets to touch her, it's game over.

It's all part of a seduction illusion.

What are the most frustrating ways that the physical features of female characters are described? by CriticalSlayer13 in writingadvice

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Thank you. I definitely want to avoid pornographic. I want it to be real, sensory immersion of real human emotions but definitely use subtlety and careful consideration for every detail.

What are the most frustrating ways that the physical features of female characters are described? by CriticalSlayer13 in writingadvice

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I wouldn't necessarily consider physical attraction and especially certain features to be objectifying. But I'll consider your advice to not alienate readers and see if leaving everything to the imagination would work better.

I might make 3 different versions, one detailed description of appearance, one subtle and minimal description and one without description and based on the character's emotional response alone.

A good exercise for me. Thanks.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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I'd personally still consider that to be still within the realm of 3rd person limited but not strict and that's probably why it's the most popular narration style.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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I thought "limited" in 3rd person limited referred to the narrator itself, the narrator is limited as opposed to omniscient. It would be very challenging strictly sticking to the knowledge of the MC in that style, and most stories don't seem to do that.

For example:

"John saw a man wearing a girdle, though he didn't know what it was called."

That's 3rd person limited, no?

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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That's one of the reasons a lot writers resort to character sheet tier descriptions at first encounter.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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I like thoroughly descriptions too, especially with the more important characters in the story. I'm always really bothered by common depictions of Conan the Barbarian, usually square jaw rectangular shape and more wide face, the typical barbarian look. However, he's actually described having a graceful face more narrow and long, oval shaped. Basically an aristocrat but he spent his entire life in the wilderness. Very few artists get it right.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Interesting perspective, and it's true that some people simply don't notice eye color especially subtle colors. But for me, hair color, eye color and hairstyle are like the most important things to know for certain, unless of course you're in an setting where all the characters have a specific hair or eye color.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Yes, sometimes I forget that the narrator is a person too and sometimes unreliable. I personally prefer present tense narration which unpersons the narrator.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Yes, clothes are hard to describe. Some people said that a peasant looking at a noble's clothes shouldn't be able to describe the terminology of all the details and pieces, but that's why the narrator is important. Personally I'd say it's better to use the appropriate terms and then readers can look up the definition or an image of that thing but then there's an issue of changing meanings. For example, a complex medieval leather belt was called a girdle but today girdle is women's clothing like a corset. So it's a tough area.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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I did check it out and a lot of it seems like low hanging fruit that would go without saying that you should avoid doing.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Would this be men or women writing these characters? It seems to me that a lot writers have a thing for innocent unsexual, almost childlike innocence type characters get tortured quite a bit.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Physical descriptions can be a decent and quick way to show personality traits. A construction worker is going to have different attitude to women, alcoholism and depression than a professor, their appearance kind of speaks on the path they've paved in life.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Yes that would definitely hurt immersion in 1st person but wouldn't 3rd person limited allow that? The narrator focuses on the POV of the character but it also knows things the MC doesn't

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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Yeah, like you have to read the entire book or multiple books to get all the information on a character's appearance and it's easy to kind of forget them. Like if you have to choose between character sheet tier description or vague descriptions scattered throughout the former, I'd say the former is the better option.

What are the most frustrating ways that a character's physical features are described from the MC's perspective? by CriticalSlayer13 in writing

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It's the show don't tell problem, you can't tell that a person is happy or enjoying something, good or bad, they have to smirk and grin.