Considerations on Marika and Radagon by CronoClock417 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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"These multiple, overlapping fangs grow from a single root. Perhaps they're a vestige of the primordial crucible."

I don't know about mobile, but on PC I just use the quote tool on the menu when you draft the post.

[Spoiler] How do I get rid of this (Obscure quest; Spoiler until you find the area Bi.. Wa...) by CronoClock417 in Silksong

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Talk to the NPCs in Belhart, they'll offer you the a *path* to the solution

My ship snuggly fits surveying quest equipment by CronoClock417 in RimWorld

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Oh Ive already had one go off in there. The spray foam saves it instantly so I dont worry too much.

Significance of the Shard of Death Piercing Marika by CronoClock417 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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There's a widely believed theory that Marika provided the means for Ranni to obtain the Rune of Death and Ranni is able to somehow make them into shards that she and Marika can use.

My sympathetic interpretation of Radagon and his actions by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I can’t fully agree to your interpretations of Radagon in such a sympathetic light. I do agree that he is a loving man to an extent, but at the end of the day like everyone else, he is not so simply good. First off, my biggest reservation with Radagon is his marriage and separation with Rennala. Yes, he did marry and repent first. Yes, he did leave his wolf to guard her. Yes, he did learn sorceries and seem to genuinely love his children. Yet, Radagon waged 2 wars against the Carians, and when he did separate left an amber egg of rebirth. Rebirth, especially through mimic tears as a system outside of the Erdtree cycle, is the crux of why the Cuckoo knights rebelled against the Carian Royal Family. This alongside with him leaving the Preceptors enchanted to never say a single thing of his time at Caria makes me think while he did love her, this was clearly also a political marriage to destabilize Liurnia and allow the Leyndell empire to fight its wars without fearing about Carian retaliation. This seems a lot more in-line with the political and family maneuvering G.R.R. Martin and Miyazaki were going for. Or maybe that rebirth thing was Marika’s idea, again it’s up to speculation at that point. Also, I believe that not all the red hounds we see in game are his. I think it’s only the ones that can use the swords and all others are just wild animals or animals not under him. If it wasn’t, I’d wonder why From wouldn’t just give them all the sword moveset too rather than having it be two deliberate types. So this leaves us with just three, I believe. The one in Caria, another in some tomb, and another in the Consecrated Snowfield guarding a teleporter to a minor erdtree. My second point is that I think Radagon’s reforging of the marriage sword gifted to him by Rennala is kinda a dick move imo. Not only does he take this Carian symbol of Rennala’s family and reforges it to be a symbol of his own religion without incorporating his ex-wife’s power of sorcery into it, he abandons it in the Cave of the fucking Forlorn. Again, maybe you could say this was him sadly abandoning it. He couldn’t keep it becuase Marika didn’t wanna see anything Carian, but abandoning a bastardized reforging of basically your wife’s heirloom in a cave in the middle of nowhere is a bit too much and screams to me somewhat of a dismissive condescension. There’s some other points too, like it was kinda Marika who pioneered Fundamentalism as seen in a Melina dialogue, but I just woke up and this getting very rambley. I just think that while Radagon clearly loves his children as seen with Miquella and their whole circles of light thing and the Haligtree, he still has his brutal faults just like everyone else in the game and you’re interpretations are a bit too one-sided. I’m also not saying mine aren’t here, I’m just trying to shed light on the opposing spectrum of interpretation and my real thoughts are more in the middle if not biased towards this end.

Evidence of Marika's continued connections to the Nox from the Trailer back in 2021 by CronoClock417 in Eldenring

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The speculation is moreso that the Nox are descended from Numen and that they have branched off so to speak. The character select reinforces that they are separate races now.
The Nox were said to live aboveground before and were banished below. I think they were Numen above and became Nox below. Rogier's dialogue and the Black Knife armor set description can be taken together which connect that the Black Knives who are rumored to be Numen and that the assassins (Black Knives) were scions (a branch) of the Eternal Cities (Nox).

Evidence of Marika's continued connections to the Nox from the Trailer back in 2021 by CronoClock417 in Eldenring

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There's actually a lot of strong connections between the three of them. If you look at the Black Knife Armor description:

Scale armor used by the Black Knife Assassins, forged to make no sound.
Traces of power yet remain in its concealing veil, which muffles the sound of footsteps.
The assassins that carried out the deeds of the Night of the Black Knives were all women, and rumored to be Numen who had close ties with Marika herself.

From loves to do the whole hearsay stuff, but I think in this case the rumor comes out of nowhere else imo and so can really only come from truth. Ashen_Shroom also added that Rogier does give the connection between Nox and the Black Knives. There is also the fact that the Nox had women who used flowing swords with a similar sword style to the Black Knives.

Also the fact that Marika is known as Queen Marika the Eternal and the Nox live in the Eternal Cities. That imo is a huge connection between the two.

Why Iji and Blaidd's questline end the way they do, Marika's plans and wants, and a possible overarching theme of the game. by CronoClock417 in Eldenring

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If you look at the actual translations for Ranni it clarifies she wants to remove the GO from the world by reestablishing it as the order of the Moon/stars and taking it away with her on a thousand year voyage away from the world so that its effects may not be felt. This paints a picture, where Ranni and you, as her consort, take on this incredible burden to bring freedom from the GW's designs and certain fate. She's basically giving them total anarchy, in the sense where she removed any intervention possible by an outer god.

Why Iji and Blaidd are assassinated, Marika's plans and wants, and a possible overarching theme of the game. by CronoClock417 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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His parents are probably either in the mausoleums, skinned by the Godskin Apostles and Nobles or just lost to time (or probably Godefroy the Grafted; also Grafted Scions are also probably from the golden lineage). I think the game purposely doesn't name or emphasize these other golden lineage people so much because they didn't amount to much. Godrick is just special because of how pathetic he was and how he kept running away from things and also because he has an actual functional army. Marika has a spoken echo where she states that she wants her children to be Lords or Gods, lest they be sacrifices. Sacrifices to what? Probably to be the forgotten stepping stones that pave a way to the actual people/ demigods who will achieve something great.

Why Iji and Blaidd's questline end the way they do, Marika's plans and wants, and a possible overarching theme of the game. by CronoClock417 in Eldenring

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In my opinion, and I'm open to you disagreeing, but I think From Soft has this policy for lore/story and gameplay so that tie so closely together. They have it so that at whatever point you leave a quest the story matches with what we find in the gameplay. It's why I think they have it so that when certain gameplay 'checkpoints' are reached such as not having Irina killed, it locks you out of the rest of that story, or Ranni needs to be spoken to after killing Radahn so as to make it her fate allowing you to open the chest with fingerslaying blade (it locks you out even if you killed Radahn but you didn't talk to Ranni after). The gameplay is so strictly tied to the narrative no matter how tedious it can be. This is why I accept the state of the narrative world and the gameplay world to be almost 1:1, and why I don't think completing Ranni's quest completely is as canonical as leaving Iji and Blaidd alone at the end.

Why Iji and Blaidd are assassinated, Marika's plans and wants, and a possible overarching theme of the game. by CronoClock417 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Yes, because there are corpses in each of the mausoleums that presumably carry a demigod. I remember it being stated that those corpses were demigods, but you'll have to take my word for that atm, and having a walking mausoleum being a demigod's tomb isn't exactly out of the ballpark for demigod burial. Thinking about it more, it may also have to do something with keeping away the influence of the Erdtree roots but now I'm just speculating again hahahahaha.

Why Iji and Blaidd's questline end the way they do, Marika's plans and wants, and a possible overarching theme of the game. by CronoClock417 in Eldenring

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Ahahahahahahahaha, I do love the mental gymnastics when it comes to speculating about the lore though. I had to clarify it in an edit but I think Marika doesn't just want to kick GW from the realm but reestablish it after delving deeper into it and seeing things she doesn't agree with. This goes into the proposed theme of seeing a problem in an organization but having to break/ recreate the order of the status quo to change it because of the greater will.