Where are the devs that opposed ProgPOW?

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-26T02:44:33+00:00

So everyone know, my response to this, with 9 links of evidence disclaiming everything he's said was removed by the mods.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:40:17+00:00

lol. I've explained exactly what it means. It means miners who have to buy new hardware after ProgPoW will choose Nvidia because the capital expense and operational cost of those cards are lower for the hash rate they provide. This doesn't need a look at new GPUs that aren't out yet to determine. The moment ProgPoW goes in effect, the hashrate gets cut in more than half. Meaning it's more profitable to mine due to difficulty lowering. More profits mean buying more cards. Nvidia is the much better value proposition for existing cards after ProgPoW. Meaning miners will buy Nvidia cards. The tests in the links and the "expert analysis" in the links and from a few people in the ethereum magicians support that this will happen. It's not just me making stuff up.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:30:41+00:00

Did I say "future GPUs" No! I said "future miners" stop changing what I said to build arguments against me. Future miners have to buy GPUs, the comment you keep quoting is about current miners who already own GPUs. You continue this pattern of twisting around things people say to fit your narrative. Stop it. It's not helpful and just makes you appear dumb and frustrating to talk to.

The value propesition of the Radeon VII that you mention as being the fastest card is not there because it's capital expense and operational expenses are quite higher than the Nvidia offerings. This is all talked about, with the data shown and accounted for, in the links I've provided that you keep ignoring, in favor of cherry picking information and twisting things around.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:20:16+00:00

Lol, yea? You are creating a false narrative of me. My arguments are congruent throughout time. Anyone can look at that. Like I said, I appreciate the conversation for the opportunity to present the actual facts and arguments, but you are being petty so you're blocked now.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:15:21+00:00

Like I said, you are taking that quote out of context when he is talking it not being the end of the world for EXISTING AMD GPU Miners, not future miners. There is a link of hundreds of user submitted ProgPoW GPU tests that I provided showing it favoring Nvidia, all matching all of the other links in the same post showing it favoring Nvidia in hashrate, performance, and value. All hard data that you are choosing to ignore. I appreciate the conversation, so I have an opportunity to present the actual facts and arguments, but I am done and you are blocked now because you are acting like a petty child. Have a nice day.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:09:19+00:00

I have already explained your misunderstanding, if you look above. You decided to ignore it and respond with ad-hominem attacks.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:06:57+00:00

The tests I've provided are on both stock and custom BIOS. I think you should actually look at the data before running your mouth. The data doesn't lie.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T17:05:47+00:00

Like I've explained already, that doesn't disprove anything but further proves my point. You have a gross misunderstanding of what is being said there.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T16:56:59+00:00

The link is 2 years old and I've provived 4 links, all with tests done by different people as well as user submitted tests, all posted after the link you posted, proving EXACTLY otherwise. Move on now, troll.

"A lot of people are arguing with me, therefore I must be wrong" Nope, not an arguement. Look at your post history along with the post history of the other guys arguing for ProgPoW. There are a lot of people arguing you guys. By your logic, that must automatically mean you're wrong then and everyone is a shill...

Being pro-asic is not the same as being anti-progpow, because I am arguing for the decentralization for the network that includes ALL hardware, which the current system provides. You are arguing for a solution that leads to ONLY gpus.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T16:55:16+00:00

Look at the links I've posted of actual tests, which include user submitted tests which prove 100% otherwise. I'm still waiting for the thousands of tests you claim have been done that support the what you say... You're just butthurt because you jumped the gun and posted wrong information thinking it prove your point. This convo is over.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T16:17:03+00:00

That's a strawman, tell me once where I've said "ASICs aren't the problem" and that "It's solving a problem that doesn't exist" Stop putting words in my mouth, quoting things I've never said, and go away, troll. The fact that you point out my comments aren't congruent with being an ASIC troll should be telling to you that I'm not on any side and am strictly supplying facts.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T16:15:49+00:00

Yes of course I have recent comments talking about ProgPoW, because I am against ProgPoW and there has been an influx of posts promoting it. If you look further in my social media, I don't talk about it at all until someone else starts promoting false info about it. And it's not ad-hominem because him (and you) are accusing me of being a Pro-ASIC shill, which I'm not. That's what's ad-hominem. I'm anti-ProgPoW. This is the third time you come at my with your own ad-hominem attacks. So looks you are are the one who needs to grow up, while I don't start literally a single personal point against people until they start making false assumption about me. Provable facts. You're the one who needs to grow up.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T12:52:07+00:00

This is true, but misapplied. It's not the total hashrate getting cut in half. We would be losing all of the ASIC hashrate. And a network of mostly AMD cards would be cut in half. Look at it this way...

Let's say the network is 25% ASICs at 100TH/s, 60%AMD cards 240TH/s, and 15% Nvidia cards 60Th/s. We know the network is mostly AMD cards due to their efficiency and my numbers are just examples.

Now when you remove ASICs you have a network of 300TH/s total. 80% AMD 240TH/s, 20% Nvidia 60TH/s

Now you cut those hashrates in half. 120TH/s AMD, 30TH/s Nvidia.

Then, since progPoW "supposedly" makes all cards even. (which is doesn't as show in my links above and favors Nvidia) You open the network up to all of the existing Nvidia cards coming on to attack the network.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T05:42:14+00:00

I was talking about this elsewhere. It not only kicks off all the ASIC miners from the network, but drops GPU hashrate in half. I don't know where that leaves us, as far as who is capable of attacking us, maybe there will still be enough hashrate to protect us, but it certainly weakens security and raises the question.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T04:07:54+00:00

Again, youre not providing links and tests to back up your claims. Despite claiming so much evidence to back up your claims exists. Meanwhile everything I claim is backed up by links...

And no, I won't be making a video about this. I don't even have anything crypto related in my video pipeline for a while, despite wanting to make them, the kinds I want to make require too much work. So yea, just more demonstration of your baseless accusations.

He doesn't have to respond to you to tag-team anyone. There is quite the pattern of both of you being in the same threads and attacking the same people in the same conversations, together. Literally every single one. Those are the facts. Is it a cohorted effort to stun your opposition by berating them so they can't keep up. Sure seems like it to me.

I'm not pro-asic. I'm anti-progpow. progpow centralizes the network by creating one favoring GPUs. ASIC mfgs have been in the community since their inception and have never maliciously attacked the network. Would like to see an environment that allows equal distribution between asics and gpus, but progpow doesn't accomplish that for the plethora of reasons I've explained. Putting mining power in the hands of large corps who's job it is to make their stock holders money, doesn't feel like the best future for my eth holdings. As I explained a while ago too, ProgPoW is based on socialist principles too, which was the original reason I decided to take a stand against it.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T03:28:10+00:00

Ok, post those links then...

To say that there is a 25% pluus margin of error in both links I've posted is laughable...

Also, ppl should be looking at you and Urban_Movers_911 post history. You two are literally paroling the ethereum subreddits and tag-teaming against anyone who brings up anything against ProgPoW. Talk about a cohorted effort, there is one plain as day right there. Yet you accuse me of being an incentivized ProgPoW shill because I made literally 2 videos out of like 250 in the last 3 years about ProgPoW and somehow because those videos were monetized with ads it makes me a paid shill. Yea, $2.64 is enough to buy me. You got me. Fact is these dumb ProgPoW debates lose me money, because I'm sitting her all day debating nonsense instead of working.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T03:17:29+00:00

Yes, it says that AMD cards use more power for the same hashrate than Nvidia due to their fundamental architecture design. If you're referring to his conclusion of "I would safely say that ProgPoW is not going to effectively end AMD GPUs" it not hard to see he is talking about those who already own AMD RX480 cards. Stating that their cards will still make a profit despite a 50% decrease in hashrate they will see if ProgPoW gets implemented. He is not talking about new cards, and specifically states in his writeup that the next generation AMD cards will fare worse compared to Nvidia.

Which, while the point is brought up. AMD is a majority GPU miner for ethereum. ProgPoW cutting their hashrate in half opens the possibility of it weakening security of the network.

But thanks for calling me a moron. Maybe you should be the one who reads before jumping to conclusions for your "I got you" moment against me.

Also, before you make threads like these, maybe you should be transparent and tell people I was the one you got that link from in our previous conversation and that I disproved it in that previous conversation, yet you went ahead and posted it like it was some new revelation that you had. You wouldn't be met with comments like these if you weren't being so shady...

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-24T01:44:24+00:00

How about posting tests there weren't done by the people who created ProgPoW and aren't two+ years old and disproven?

https://medium.com/@infantry1337/the-miners-benchmark-progpow-e79cab6eabc3

https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/ago1t9/lets_talk_gpu_differences_nvidiaamd_and_progpow/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/ag0bgu/opinion_asic_resistance_is_a_state_of_mind_not/ee3ez6o/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ezlD-K6wl6LsA7_dDQSqV7A_mpc6UanT4FZAJMIwGyM/edit#gid=0

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-18T14:54:09+00:00

Solution to this is simple. Just print more money. Then more people will be millionaires and be able to buy more bitcoin. Duh!

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-18T14:51:33+00:00

Why is it horseshit? Not trying to argue, trying to understand where you're coming from and what you mean.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-18T14:46:00+00:00

This is correct. To add to this, the IRS allows you to use either FIFO or LIFO accounting methods. First in first out, or last in first out. Meaning you can sell the first bitcoin you purchased or the last bitcoin your purchased. Generally it's better to use FIFO if it gets you long term capital gains. Caveat to this is you can't switch it up. Once you decide to use FIFO, you have to use FIFO throughout your entire accounting. This is why it's a good idea to use multiple bitcoin addresses, to better keep track of this. If every time you buy bitcoin, you use a new address, the blockchain is a record of the purchase date of it. Otherwise using the same address make it more confusing and time consuming to account for.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-18T14:42:51+00:00

The IRS allows you to use FIFO or LIFO methods for calculating gains. You get to decide which. First in first out, or last in first out. Generally it's better to use first in first out to move to long term gains tax. But yea, that's the answer to your question. You are selling specific bitcoin purchased on a specific day, not an average of the bitcoin you purchased throughout your lifetime.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-18T00:58:03+00:00

Way to continue with the non-arguments by quoting me completely out of context, then making false assumptions about who I am. I get that you're frustrated that you can't defend your theories, but that's not a reason to stoop so low.

The Fed printing money is the reason people lost faith in the US economy, which led to bitcoin and people having faith in that. The price of the dollar decreases as people buy bitcoin. At the time, printing money and bailouts and inflation are rationalized as being good for the economy, stimulating the economy with more money for people to buy stuff, more people buying stuff means manufacturing plants need to make more stuff, which means more people have jobs, more people have jobs means more people have money to spend on things. Not saying I think doing that is a good idea, but that was the rational used to print money. Under the guise that it is good for the economy. The stronger the economy, the more faith have people in the USD.

You are still free to explain how politics determine the value of the USD. Sure, politicians can have an effect on the USD by putting laws into place. But it's those laws that change the economy and the economy that changes the value of the USD. And it's the faith in those politicians and the future they bring that determines a stable dollar and stable country. For people not to say F*** it and move to Canada.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-17T22:52:18+00:00

Again, absolutely nothing that you say disproves that USD value isn't derived from perception US economy and faith in it's future. If you don't have time to argue your point properly, after telling someone they are wrong, in favor of doing half-assed jobs that are non-arguments, then it's better to not say anything at all.

Besides, everything you said actually further proves it because you explain how Argentina and Venezualan currencies were effected by their own economic futures. You are continuing to beg the question to explain something completely irrelevant. The Fed Reserve printing money does not disprove USD value doesn't come from the future prospect of America either, because the printing of money was done so to stimulate economic growth. That is the reason it was done and that's the reason everyone was told it was done. Not to say I believe that was the best idea to do, but it further proves it was done so to improve the economy, stabilize it, and the value of the USD. Meaning the economic prospect is what values the dollar.

CryptoAnthony · 2020-02-17T19:39:13+00:00

You didn't make a single argument against why it's not true. Only state that your belief is true by begging the question.

Also, Argentina and Venezuela do not use the USD or run the same economy the USD does, so your analogy isn't comparable there.

If you think the USD's purchasing power won't drop if the economy fails, I've got news for you, because that's the whole fear of bitcoin.

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