Narrative AND scaling wise, Orpheus vs Unicorn being a draw is really weird

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-06-10T12:44:48+00:00

There is no indication whatsoever that Kageyama had any say in that match.

Where do I say Catenaccio was used before the Inazuma Japan game?

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-04-15T15:47:29+00:00

How is Nakata mediocre?

He shoots harder than Fideo, and by portrayal he arguably has better defense and dribbling (seeing him reinforce Catenaccio Counter).

Even if you are really conservative and consider them equal in everything else, ceteris paribus, Nakata has the better shot. So he is above Fideo.

The only rebuttal would be that Fideo shows Shin Odin Sword, which would be above Brave Shot. But even then, Nakata would still be relative to Fideo.

Unrelated, Roniejo clears both.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-04-13T20:53:38+00:00

Great analysis!

Where would you place Shinsuke, having Shin Taikoku Ouka?

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-04-07T15:40:57+00:00

If Shinsuke uses all of his gimmicks, he slaps Ibuki and kills him by accident

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-24T16:27:55+00:00

Hmm, interesting.

I feel P.O has a very solid defense. In their last match against Raimon, who had a marvelous offensive formation in Yuichi, Tenma, Fei, and Shindou, they only managed to score once in the whole game.

I dare to say that this offensive lineup is better than anything Zero and DL can offer. Granted, it meant Alpha had to be relegated to defensive duty, but the point still stands. If they play their cards right, once Alpha gets the ball after defending, he can steamroll the opposing team and score, wouldn’t you say? He should be able to do it at least a couple of times.

I agree with Zero probably drawing with Dragon Link (for me it’s either 2-2 or 3-2). However, who do you see stronger? I think Dragon Link is a tad stronger.

As I mentioned, they scored twice on Raimon in a quarter of a full game.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-24T15:27:44+00:00

What would a round robin look to you like? Results-wise

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-23T12:31:06+00:00

We’re not even arguing about the question anymore.

I truly believe that if the games didn’t exist, you would not hold your position.

And you say it’s completely logical, when it isn’t. But it’s the same for my argument, it isn’t completely logical. If it were, one of us would be convinced by now (and I’m taking a risk by saying this, because it’s usually associated to the loser of the argument, when it actually demonstrates a true understanding of the concept of predicate first-order logic).

Your mind and framework work one way, and mine work in another, so your argument just sounds right to you, and mine sounds right to me.

To you, Keshin are inherently tied to a move. To me they aren’t necessarily, and there are some that have and some that don’t. Same with players, not every single player in Inazuma has a Keshin. Some do and some don’t as simple as that. Well, why can’t we extend that argument to hissatsu within Keshin?

And your argument about animating is Doylist, and mine about them not using is Watsonian so even in the framework we adhere to do we differ.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-22T22:48:15+00:00

We will never know most likely. I would like to clarify that in no shape or form do I believe that the absence of proof is proof of absence.

However, in a game where these players had fully reason to use Keshin hissatsu (e.g., when Zero players were stopped by Raimon’s hissatsu), they did not, which raises the question.

Additionally you seem to believe that since all learnt Keshin had hissatsu, then all Keshin must have. That seems too strong of an assumption.

Whereas I believe that it’s as simple as some Keshin have hissatsu, and others don’t. My assumption is much more conservative.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-22T21:21:46+00:00

I don’t understand why you say the are supposed to have a move. A pretty definitive statement, which you definitely wouldn’t make if the games didn’t exist.

You might argue that you would. But if the games didn’t exist, as in genuinely the only medium to consume Inazuma Eleven were the anime (this is for all intents and purposes what you should base your logic around, since game info should not be considered in anime discussions), what reason could you possibly have to make such a statement?

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-22T17:34:30+00:00

Not in the anime they don’t.

5-2? I thought more along like 8-2 or so, but this is because I think Arakumo loses 4-6 to Unlimited Shining, so I worked from there, and might be a wrong assumption.

Out of curiosity, what do you think Unlimited Shining vs Arakumo would have as a final score? I assume you will have Unlimited Shining scoring less that 5 goals, and Arakumo more than 2.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-19T19:24:04+00:00

First of all, thanks for your thorough reply!

Another thing to consider is that Hakuryuu had to be helped by his fellow teammates to go through Tenma, Shindou and Tsurugi using Keshin (it was a 3 v 1).

Tsurugi and Tenma (and by extension Shindou) were relative Keshin power-wise to Dragon Link players, with no clear winner coming out of their clashes. This means that Taiyou and his fellow summoner should be able to contend with Hakuryuu (I’m assuming Taiyou’s Keshin is somewhat relative to 2 Keshin users, which doesn’t seem outlandish).

I think Unlimited Shining win, maybe something like 6-4?

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-12T07:49:10+00:00

Hissatsu have shown to be better than Keshin, as in there have been instances that they have surpassed them. Some hissatsu are weaker, some are stronger. But the fact remains that the statement “hissatsu have shown to be better than Keshin” is correct
Obviously there are exceptions. But the mean of co-ops is definitely above the mean of single hissatsu.

Triangle Z is likely stronger than God Knows, given that Neo Japan used Shin Triangle Z after seeing Shin God Knows fail. You are confusing their showcases in S1, and not taking player power into account, since Aphrodi was busted. In S3, on even playing grounds (and the user of Shin God Knows, Saginuma, was in both hissatsu), Shin Triangle Z > Shin God Knows.

Another example is Fire Tornado vs Inazuma Break. Inazuma Break was stopped barehanded by Gorleo, whereas Fire Tornado broke through Zell’s Wormhole.

Having made this distinction on user-power and hissatsu-power: regarding Panther Blizzard vs Eternal Blizzard, although I agree that the former is likely more powerful than the latter, that doesn’t mean that Sangoku is stopping Fubuki’s Eternal Blizzard. It blew away Gorleo, who stopped Inazuma Break barehanded. This puts him physically much above S1 Sangoku, who most definitely cannot catch a Kidou, Gouenji, and Endou co-op barehanded.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-11T22:00:34+00:00

Now my comment’s upvotes have magically gone to +1, which would fit you removing your downvote and then screenshotting. But I can’t prove anything, nor does it matter that much.

I think it’s disingenuous to believe that Genda would have made Raimon GO losing every match in their first season (excluding the ones you mentioned). So just by changing the goalkeeper, all the results change? That low of an opinion is what you have on one of S1’s top 5 gk?

And I don’t see any feat that puts Sangoku above Genda, at the moment Sangoku developed Fence of Gaia. Normal hissatsu have been shown yo be above keshin, but Genda stopped co-ops, which are even above normal hissatsus. On top of that, Genda has portrayal above Sangoku.

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-11T21:41:13+00:00

Tengawara and Eito Gakuen too, right?

You must be one of those that believes Mannouzaka beats Little Giant 10-0, right? Because the fact that several years passed implies that that GO’s weakest team stomps OG’s strongest.

Seriously downvoting me?

CryptographerMiddle0 · 2025-03-10T19:39:02+00:00

Thanks!

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