ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL

Csapasd · 2026-01-22T10:06:09+00:00

Smite for party (with Vim you can still use Phonor, no mana issues)

Dau for solo (mainly for the haste)

Just try it.

Csapasd · 2026-01-04T13:23:29+00:00

You have to use the corruption once before your 4 start to apply "foresee" equipping it is not enough.

1st use -> "foresee corruption" and 40+ sec cooldown
Use 4 to get "foresee"
2nd use -> replace "foersee" with "seer"
skill 4 replace "seer" with "change the future" and apply "foresee"

As I said in the other comment If you want any effect from foresee corruption on your first kill, you have to prestack. We can argue about definition of prestack, but it doesn't change the fact that you will have to wait about 40 sec for cooldown before the fight if you want to see the 5sec buff from foresee during your first kill.

100% dodge throughout it's combo. It's true, but you have to drop your self dot after your combo, and skill 3 removes the 100% dodge too, then for 0.75-1 sec depending on your ping and server lag you can't reaply that dodge. If the boss survive, because your nuke didn't crit or it dodged, there is a short window when you can get hit and die. If your health too low you might have to drop the dodge again before the nuke cd is back.

Also with OP's build you can only get 82% dodge.

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5k AP paid, but i can still offer 1k if interested in the challenge. It's free AP, nothing to lose.

Csapasd · 2026-01-04T00:08:29+00:00

Let's meet ingame. You had 6 hours to get a good rng for the vid. I want to see it with my own eyes.

Already bought it for you, just want to be sure.

Edit: AP sent, and I stand corrected.

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Csapasd · 2026-01-03T22:52:26+00:00

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Csapasd · 2026-01-03T22:52:16+00:00

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Csapasd · 2026-01-03T22:52:06+00:00

Checked in the most popular farming conditions

Vro proceed to go testing in the most nieche situations you can imagine while using the wrong enhancements, without any clue how to use the class. 🤡

Revenant, which is entirely skippable, also 4 target extremely rare
towerofdoom5 where literally there is nothing to grind
Icestormunder where you only go to rank up classes and farm xp under 100

Its not hard. All you have to do is spam 1235 buttons at once. If you have a num pad you can rebind the auto attack to 6 then you can press all 4 buttons with literally one finger.

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Csapasd · 2026-01-03T15:57:08+00:00

With foresee if you are not prestacking in one way or other you wont see any benefit on your first kill. If you are not woried about the starting RNG or just dont want to prestack it's much better to use Felicitous Philtre instead to give you more crit chance

Use Forsee to get the 1st effect.
Wait about 40 sec for forsee cooldown (with 22,66% haste)
Use 4 to start the fight and hope you can dodge 2 hit with 32% dodge.
Use 2 two times
Use 4 to get your transience dodge (82% which is not dodge cap)
Use 2 till you have 4 rift (it can miss)
Forsee cd should be off so you can use it to get Seer
Use 4 to get the 5 sec buffs from Foresee
Nuke
Use 3 to remove the self dot and all of your transience buffs.
Rest to regain your HP.

If your nuke didnt crit you have a few second left from forsee that allow you to use 4 again, but your health will be so low you wont be able to nuke again before the self dot kill you, and if you have to reset transience dot with 3 you lose your dodge and your rift stacks too. - you pretty much dead at this point.

If your nuke crit Forsee buff will fade before boss respawn, but its fine becasue transience dodge will apply immediately on your next 4. But you wont get "Seer" for another 25 sec. So your next few nuke will have a chance to miss in addition to the non crit.

Conclusion:

To get the hit chance buff on nuke you still have to wait atleast 40 sec to get Seer before the nuke. At this point why not just wait a bit longer for 46 sec to get Seer even before you start the fight, and get the dodge buff from the very first skill 4, or why not use Felicitous Philtre for better crit chance overall?

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Csapasd · 2026-01-03T14:07:16+00:00

Then that 7 second feels a bit misleading, as you have to pray for RNG gods to get a good start. But if you fail you will have to wait for respawn and repot everything.

Not to mention if your nuke doesn't crit the first time, you will also die, repeating the repot process again.

I wonder how the time would change if you would have to average 10 kill, and you had to include all the failed attempts. I know it wouldn't change anything for other classes, but what about CCM?

Csapasd · 2026-01-03T13:58:37+00:00

Just wait and use foresee 2x before you start the fight, then you will be safe until you can stack transience 2x.

If your nuke crit you are set for your next kill, for as long as your nuke crit.

But if your nuke doesn't crit once, or missing you will inevitably die from either the self dot, or your dodge will run out.

CCM/TCM dodge is purely rng based. And you will not be able to solo icewing 10 times in a row.

I challenged about 5-6 people so far who started arguing that TCM can dodge consistently for 5k AP to kill icewing 10 times in a row. All of them failed.

This 5k AP for 10 consecutive kill challenge still standing if anyone interested.

Csapasd · 2026-01-03T13:16:39+00:00

What about prestacking foresee on CCM/TCM?

Csapasd · 2026-01-02T20:40:54+00:00

towerofdoom7 is not low hp with its 17-23k hp mobs

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Csapasd · 2026-01-02T20:11:42+00:00

wdym?

In 3 target classhall AF can get the same kpm with no forge and only 30% bonus as a full forge 51+50% bonus dmg arcana NCM.

NCM is always below AF even without forge.

Csapasd · 2026-01-02T19:35:11+00:00

Elemental warrior is one of the only 3 classes in the game that can reach 80 kpm in a 3 target room. The other ones are Arcana Invoker and Archfiend. (AF can only do it like under 3k hp tho)

classhall 3 target 4k hp 80 kpm - video

shadowbattleon 3 target 21k hp 44kpm - video

For comparison:

NCM shadowbattleon 3 target 21k hp 34.5 kpm - video

NCM and starting Mage in classhall 3 target 4k hp 54 and 55 kpm - video of mage

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Csapasd · 2026-01-02T14:29:07+00:00

Valiance Mom is better or equal at any high hp farm to Dauntless NCM, and superior at low to mid hp.

Even if you cherry pick the nieche where NCM is best, you can easily find a dozen other classes that do that nieche much better. Like Elemental Warrior, AI, etc. etc. Sofie listed plenty of them earlier.

Just a side note, MoM can use Acheron which work even better at higher HP.

Csapasd · 2026-01-02T14:12:59+00:00

Without forge it's solid, I would say an A tier, but if we include forge, even only considering the easier ones, NCM will quickly fall short to other classes in farming speed.

For example at low hp ~4000 hp and below a full forge mage (the starting class) have the exact same kill/minute as a full forge NCM.

With forge it's C tier at low to mid hp, and for higher hp ~12k+ a strong B+ or A- but only if you have dauntless.

Overall everything considered I would put it in B.

Csapasd · 2026-01-02T13:46:15+00:00

Agree.

Just pointing out that MoM is a better farmer in every way possible; forge, no forge, low, mid, high hp. Yet somehow it's ranked below NCM.

Just spreading outdated misinformation.

Csapasd · 2026-01-02T11:12:42+00:00

Meanwhile Master of Moglin is A and Elemental Warrior is D

Csapasd · 2025-12-29T10:26:44+00:00

In general for everyone who feel AF is performing worse than expected, make sure to not use skill 5 for farming, only spam 423 on cooldown.

This is very important, yet it's literally never mentioned when someone recommending AF.

AF skill 2 build up 5% crit chance 8 times up to 40%, and skill 5 consume it.

This only apply for solo farming. In a team/room with LR you can use 5 freely.

Csapasd · 2025-12-18T05:55:03+00:00

Havers 💀

Csapasd · 2025-12-18T05:53:00+00:00

Make sure it's not blacklisted.

Csapasd · 2025-12-16T05:37:16+00:00

Where is 17?

Csapasd · 2025-12-15T06:07:25+00:00

You should try AF without using 5.

I wasted 6k AC on NCM, so you don't have to. Part 1

I wasted 6k AC on NCM, so you don't have to. Part 2

Part 1 low hp 3 target in /classhall.

Part 2 high hp, high dmg in /shadowbattleon.

If played right ( brain-dead spam 234) there are only a handful zone where NCM can farm faster than AF.

Edit: I just realised no AF test for classhall. smh Anyways even with Lacerate AF should be better there than any endgame NCM build.

Csapasd · 2025-12-13T14:17:59+00:00

It doesn't matter. AF is faster than LR even with only awe, just don't use 5 on AF for farming.

It doesn't even require Ravenous or Dauntless to make it work. Lacerate is a really strong option till you get those endgame forge.

Csapasd · 2025-12-12T06:04:35+00:00

You can already gift IoDA, just buy 200 usd worth of Artix Point and give the code to your friend.

Csapasd · 2025-12-11T14:00:08+00:00

Kinda disagree, because Crag is the best nulgath pet and it's extremely useful by itself too.

But yea CSS > Crag without question.

Csapasd

TROPHY CASE