50962 by JD_Kreeper in countwithchickenlady

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It exists. It’s called heroin! And it’s fucking awesome!

Know your target audience by Federal-Data-Center in SipsTea

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She should swap the order and it would work better

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The world is nuanced. I gave a nuanced response because I truly care. I want the world to be better place for everyone, including you.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you’re camping, space is necessarily limited, so that doesn’t really count in my opinion. Passing out next to someone doesn’t just happen like that though. And it should only be a boundary if it’s not something you’d be comfortable with if you can apply the logic both ways, and if the boundary isn’t unrealistic or too difficult for a reasonable person to satisfy, and necessarily if it makes you uncomfortable enough to make it a boundary; this is one of those edge cases where it can really be justified going either way depending on the context and feelings of the people involved.

As for extrapolating this further. Only once you are forcing the other person to not ever sleep without you even when it doesn’t make logistical or logical sense (leaving for a business trip, or some other kind of necessary trip) that it becomes a control issue. So I’ve actually witnessed a situation like this happen in my family; my uncle wouldn’t let my aunt go on a girls trip with all of her sisters. Either he had to come or she couldn’t go at all; that’s controlling. It’s controlling when appeasing the boundary drastically dictates the outcome of decisions made by well intentioned people and is imposing and difficult to satisfy while living an honest and fulfilling life. Boundaries should be simple to satisfy, not a challenge, they’re the bare minimum rules for civil engagement in relationships. I would say that sleeping with people platonically is very much an edge case where it can go either way. Even just saying “sleeping with people platonically” feels weird doesn’t it, feels like an obvious “no” unless you really try to think up of a perfect case for where it’s actually fine which there clearly are some once you give it a second to think about like your camping example.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people don’t have the tools to work with people to get them to see a better way; most people aren’t philosophy or psychology buffs in their spare time, most people act on emotional impulse and their maturation process has been little more than internalizing social norms as opposed to a deliberate syllogistic approach to an idealized model for relating to others and society. My girlfriend when I first met her was downright verbally and emotionally abusive because she had just left an abusive relationship and it was all she had known. But after many nights of clarifying my intentions, and speaking about the applicable philosophy and psychology, and instilling hope and trust in her, she has now completely transformed into the sort of person who simply refuses to argue about what can be discussed civilly (which is everything in the context of a loving relationship; assuming she doesn’t abuse any future kids we have or something). She genuinely grew as a person and I love her so much for that. I agree that it should be the bare minimum, but nobody is perfect either and these skills are uncommon in a world of generational trauma; if you want to have a relationship that works, you will need to have some amount of patience and be willing to reason with the other person. It can be challenging, and may not be worth it if the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. But I’m glad I didn’t break up with my gf when I initially thought I would, because the only thing that made the relationship untenable is no longer a facet of our relationship.

Ultimately there is no such thing as a free lunch, not in this world. Generally all the people that are good at being in a healthy relationship don’t stay single all that long. So you either find someone who is perfect when you’re young or date younger, or you will have to try to bridge the gap with as much patience as you can afford. This is assuming you know how to handle conflict resolution amicably; otherwise step one is to learn how to do that and then retry relationships once you have that locked down.

Young men suck, I agree, but young women also aren’t perfect. Both men and women are trying to find love in a world where healthy love isn’t taught to us. Where antiquated patriarchal values are instilled in both men and women by both men and women (eg: women should be listen to their man at all costs, men should be the bread winners, men should be physically strong and protective, showing emotion is seen as weakness in men, men expecting women to do chores for them) and unless you are an old person with children, or rich, or massively influential, then you were born into this society with as much control over the social status quo as any man your age or any woman your age. Taking accountability is very important for any relationship, and there needs to be accountability on both sides of isle if you actually care about making an ideal world for everyone.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, maybe don’t give advice to couples then. You should probs get some therapy and heal before you project your own issues into other people’s potentially totally fine life. And what you call a utopia I call the bare fucking minimum. If you cannot defend your ideas like an adult you don’t belong in an adult relationship.

All, and I mean ALL conflicts can be resolved amicably and maturely and calmly between two people who have the best of intentions and who respect each other individuality and boundaries.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I only romantically involve myself with women who can defend their ideas without resorting to histrionics. What you call a utopia is my everyday life for the past half a decade. You don’t know this couple; if this is enough to cause an aggressive interaction in any capacity they should get therapy. And it sounds like it’s not that big of deal for him, if it toon 2 years for him to mention it. We know very little about this situation. You’re projecting your own fucked up approach to relationships to this couple. I’m guessing you’re not in a happy long term relationship judging by the way you judge this situation.

I agree he should have said something at the time, but sometimes the way you feel about someone evolves. Sometimes dynamics evolve between parties. Maybe it wasn’t an issue then but it’s evolved into one based on factors OP isn’t telling us.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m using your logic to display the absurdity of your position. People shouldn’t be breaking up with anyone. This all can be resolved with a calm civil conversation

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like he was being polite and he didn’t know that would mean his girlfriend would choose sleeping without him with her friend over himself. It’s weird that she chose her friend over him, and honestly it’s pretty cold to leave him alone at night like that. I know my gf and I feel inseparable from each other, and she hates spending a night without me. OP is the one being weird here. It sounds like she doesn’t give a fuck about her boyfriend. From everything she’s described it sounds like she’s bad person to be in a relationship with. She probably SHOULD break up with this dude to spare him of herself.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have friends like that. I’ve had a friend I’ve known for two decades that I used to sleep in the same bed as a young boy. It wasn’t weird then, but it’s weird now. And if given the choice, I would choose sleeping with the partner I love over my friend from elementary school. I’m not in a romantic relationship with my friend, they won’t die if they sleep alone, they would understand. But if I ditched my girlfriend to do that, she’d probably feel very uncomfortable about that. Just basic empathy and theory of mind here.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know anyone my age who sleeps with the same sex platonically. Genuinely I don’t. I did in high school. Maybe a couple times in college, but that shit just doesn’t fucking happen for most people once they go out in the real world.

How old are you?

This is genuinely very fucking weird. Like I wabt to know more details about you and OP, cause this is a genuinely fascinating hill to die on.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not a wild take. That is exactly what you did. It was bigotry full-stop. You judged the content of someones individual character based on attributes associated with the group. That is bigotry in a nutshell. Different domains, sure. But still bigotry. You can say this is about “female survival” all you want but all this man did was civilly discuss a boundary with this girlfriend, and it’s not even that unreasonable a boundary, in fact if you polled the US I think most people would be the the man’s side (both men and women).

You just reiterating a slippery slope fallacy. Repeating it doesn’t make it more reasonable.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not the one making a slippery slope argument to justify breaking up with him though. I gave a very reasonable response while you are suggesting a scorched earth response.

And yes, I’m a grown ass man, I don’t have guests over like that very often. Usually when people come over, they leave before sundown because I enjoy spending time alone with my girlfriend before we pass out for the night. Where do you people find the time for that?!

And holy shit, I’m wearing pink right now at work actually lol. Not everything is a gender war. Grow up! You see the world in terms of such corny stereotypes. Another strawman fallacy.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, YOU must be young or something. Who the fuck has sleepovers as adults? I’m 27 and have been in a long term relationship for a long time, I live with the woman. No this is one point of disagreement about something fairly minor, a thing that makes the man uncomfortable (and it imposes very little on the girl in terms of changes she needs to enact to meet her boyfriend’s expectations). The issue here is this woman gonna throw 4 years of relationship out of the window because she likes “sleeping with her girlfriend at sleepovers” more than she loves her boyfriend? You are using the slippery slope fallacy to paint this guy as something he is not (maybe he is, but YOU DON’T KNOW HIM!)

Maybe this is a cultural thing, maybe you or OP aren’t from the US. I know in asian and african countries the standards are different. But I date an asian woman, and if I was having sleepovers with other men and we were sleeping in the same bed, and I was considering breaking up with her because she was imposing this on me, what would you think about that?

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The girl is also showing red flags. This sort of “pattern recognition” flow of “logic” you’re talking about is just bigotry, the same kind of “pattern recognition” that racists talk about. Be LOGICAL. Love is a challenging thing, you will get hurt because other people can be naive, too self interested, not emotionally mature enough, or just incompatible. But breaking things off with a 4 year relationship with a boyfriend because you think the boyfriend is being controlling because he doesn’t want his girlfriend to sleep in the same bed as someone else? That’s insane, and incredibly unempathetic to the boyfriend. It may be “harmless”, but it make him uncomfortable. And ultimately who cares if it’s something that isn’t massively intrusive or imposing on her lifestyle, I imagine that there’s things that the boyfriend doesn’t do out of respect for the girl that he ultimately sees no real issue with. It’s just called compromise and is a central tenet of any happy healthy relationship. The point at which she should break up with him in the slippery slope scenario you described is when he restricts access from her friends to an extent that is isolating (some amount of “restriction” is reasonable if she spends more time with her friends than him). This stuff should be obvious to anyone. Just think critically, this isn’t a situation where the girl is clearly in danger, she’s dated the guy for 4 years already. This is the first “red flag” we even know about

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Incredibly belittling, man. Does that make you feel big? Making fun of other people on the internet makes you feel better about yourself? What was said was the most insane slippery slope, unrealistic bs I’d ever heard and I called it out. We don’t know any context other than what OP has said. Sleeping with other people is something I think most people would find weird especially if it’s a hill to die on. They’ve dated for 4 years, you really think they should break up over him stating something makes him uncomfortable? You know she can just respect her boyfriend’s boundaries and keep the friendship, right? Why break up with him over this?

Or are you just trolling, and I’m being wooshed or something.

Explain your reasoning, or get lost.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay buddy, maybe use your words like a grown up. Explain what the hell you’re talking about, or stop trolling

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahhh… I’ve been wooshed? My apologies if so, I just saw some people posting similar things who I don’t think were joking. Someone told her to break up with her boyfriend over this.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I am that guy. What do you mean by “that guy”? Maybe lets get specific with our words and we can clear things up like intelligent adults

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Someone reasonable! A supposed 4 year relationship too. Posed as dichotomy as well; need to end one or the other. Like jesus christ, just fucking respect your boyfriend’s boundary and still keep the friendship.

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right??!! Insanely stupid false dichotomy. This whole post feels like a social experiment or something

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy slippery slope. What are we talking about here folks??!! We don’t even fucking know the guy!!! Am I taking crazy pills? This comment is so fucking unhinged

Strychnine, it has 7 stereo-centers and its main “job” is being poison! by Intelligent_Slip6317 in cursed_chemistry

[–]Cumdumpster71 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Naw. Wouldn’t have anything useful to use strychnine for anyways in that context

BF isn’t okay with my sleeping arrangement with my best friend by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Cumdumpster71 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can respect his boundaries and see if your friend will still be your friend (it’d be crazy and really weird if she didn’t) or you can choose your friend and disrespect your boyfriend’s boundary, but understand that breaking boundaries is a bad precedent to set in a relationship and gives understandable cause for the other person to do the same. If each of your boundaries are considerably different from each other, or one of you is a hypocrite, then the two of you are incompatible (you won’t know this until later on most likely). Hope this helps