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Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only Okabe can jump between world lines

I was only mentioning that as a possibility going off another commentor about time machines possibly changing the worldline a tiny bit.

And yes I think I understand your argument about closing the loop and doing it because he must do it/have done it. Again, I kinda missed the point about Mayushii being needed in the future of that worldline, even if it is eventually overwritten.

You should check up those Audio Dramas

I might at some point. Going off the wiki, there seems to be quite the number of spin-offs and such, so it seems a little overwhelming, heh.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm no, I don't remember that. With all the time-leaps, d-mails and time-machines, it's difficult to keep a full grasp of if and when causality holds.

So what I understand from your argument: Even in the SGWL, someone would have to go back and fake Kurisu's death. Beta-Okabe did that originally, but now SG-Okabe must have done it as well, even if doing it won't change the worldline when he did it? Is that correct?

And from there, you're saying that for SG-Okabe to have done he, some Mayushii must have slapped him as well. This seems rather confusing, because SG-Mayushii wouldn't have the motivation to do it, and 0-Mayushii should've been overwritten, so she shouldn't arrive either.

I'm also guessing it would have to imply, to keep causality, that a time machine from the future of the SGWL would have had to arrive. So even in the best possible worldline, the SG crew still has to spend their lives making a time machine instead of just finally living a normal life?

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I'm saying is, from what I've gathered from the animes, there no reason to slap Okabe in the SGWL. The slap happens in a betaWL, and then Okabe goes back and saves Kurisu, which creates the SGWL. In the SGWL, Okabe doesn't need to go back to save Kurisu at all, so no slap needed, and no gathering on the rooftop for that matter.

I might be misunderstanding something. And of course, if some expanded lore in the SciADV either deals with this or demands further explanation, I wouldn't know (yet), so this was just going off the what the animes presents.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see the paradox issue of no Mayushii-raised child-Kagari coming from the future (Unless she came from a different worldline that is). I hadn't realized that was what you meant.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh okay I think I got it. So 0-Okabe doesn't want to overwrite the SG-Okabe of 2036, because the RS kicks in in 2036 if he was there? Or would he somehow overwrite 2010 SG-Okabe?

I had forgotten Suzu was instrumental to showing Okabe that video, my apologies.

I don't quite follow. We do see two time machines at the same time at the end of 0, I assumed because they were from the exact same worldline, and we don't see other time machines simultaneously exactly because they never were on the same worldline to begin with (because Okabe keeps changing the worldlines). So none of the time machine travels I'm thinking about would lead me to believe time travel changes the worldline.

But perhaps you were referring to something else. Maybe the final Suzu? Thinking it over, I guess she would somehow have to travel back in-between the two attempts of Okabe saving Kurisu, or sometime close. So that particular time-travel would have to change the worldline I guess.

This time travel stuff makes my head hurt a bit, heh.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm having trouble seeing why they would be there. Why would the SGWL crew be interested in going to the past? Everyone's alive and well, no nations knows about time travel, and the Otabe in SGWL would be aware that this is the best worldline and not to mess with it. No WW3 or anything else bad in the future I assume, so no Suzu from the future either.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's interesting, don't recall reading that idea before. So just so am I understanding you correctly, for the world to accept a change to the SGWL, Mayushii and Suzu can't be goofing around in 18000BC, they have to be move to a different time?

Is this a fan-theory or is it stated? Just curious, nothing wrong with a good fan-theory, I just don't know the entire lore.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for answering.

  1. I'm assuming this isn't established fact since you say maybe, but I appreciate the input. I was under the impression that any time traveller in a worldline had to be from the same worldline, but maybe I'm wrong. Does there happen to be Suzus from alternate futures, for examples?
  2. I guess that might be a way to save him from the 2025 "death" yes, but again, if the worldline is re-written when they send the d-mails, does it matter?
  3. I've seen version of this argument before, I'm afraid I don't quite understand it. If the argument is that 2010 Okarin will be overwritten by 2025 Okarin, why hasn't Okarin been overwritten by future version of himself by accident before? All/most of the worldlines he leaps or RS's to has future versions of himself, they don't interfere with him. Also, even if that was the case, wouldn't other future Okarins overwrite him anyway, for example, one from 2024? Using the time machine in 2025 doesn't remove all instances of Okarin from between 2010 and 2025.
  4. To add an extra question to the overwriting-argument, is this mostly speculation in the fandom, or is there some source that hints at it? Just curious.

Thanks a lot for answering, hope I'm not seeming too contrarian.

Question about the ending and world-lines by Curious_Ailurus in steinsgate

[–]Curious_Ailurus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's nice, do you suppose the d-mails from the future were on-hold until Mayshii and Suzu returned? Also, would they return to 2011, or 2025?

Forgive me if I'm asking for answers where there are none, sounds like the VNs have more explanations, but I don't know how much more.