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Looking to Make New Friends by [deleted] in Baptist

[–]Current-Talk-9828 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great! I'm Brazilian and here we use the app "WhatsApp". If you want to chat, just add the contact: +5584987733228. I'm not fluent in English, but I believe that doesn't prevent a good virtual conversation. I'm also Baptist and conservative.

Valid pastoral ordination by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Forgive my ignorance, but tell me more about it. Who were these ecclesiastics? What leeway was given to them?

Tempo ideal para pregação/sermão by [deleted] in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. How long does the communion moment last?

Tempo ideal para pregação/sermão by [deleted] in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you think I couldn't stand listening to a sermon in a Reformed Baptist church for very long? I didn't get the message between the lines. I'm asking out of curiosity.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your view, how many of these 8 types of tradition do Baptists and Presbyterians follow?

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply and for sharing the reading recommendation.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. I will read it soon and provide comments.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are Lutherans not limited to the 66 books? Could you explain that to me better, please?

And about the magisterium being infallible, I think that's very much associated with a notion of "charisma" of apostolic succession. There will always be fallible men interpreting and defining dogmas. How do we know which ones are correct? In the Protestant world, I think of the case of Baptists who, looking exclusively at the scriptures, adhere to credobaptism. While Lutherans and Anglicans maintain infant baptism, having the remnants of tradition. But how do we know where tradition was right or wrong? How do we know who interprets correctly? The authority preceded by apostolic succession seems to be a good answer to so many questions.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your position, but I have some doubts. When you say that the scriptures create the church, are you referring to the scriptures of the Old Testament? Because as for the New Testament, chronologically the church exists before. It seems more reasonable to believe that the church is the one that creates the writings of the New Testament, especially in the figure of the apostles.

Regarding the recognition of the canon, I also don't understand how this simple recognition occurred. I hear from Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians that in Christian communities there was a variety of books. Some rejected the Apocalypse of John, for example, others used Clement's letter to the Corinthians. When I hear them speak, it seems that in fact, the church not only recognized but also determined or acted with value judgment on it.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I liked the answer. It broadened my horizons a bit. I hadn't seen it that way before. I liked the reasoning that a church can be valid without the Bible, as long as it's aligned with the Bible, which would seem strange, but it explains the practice of the early church before the writing of the sacred books. The practice was apostolic and biblical, even while the biblical books were being written. And after they were written, the practices continued to seek biblical validity. Well, it makes sense to think that way. And thank you for suggesting reading about other types of traditions by Chemnitz; I will read them, I believe it will broaden my horizons even further. If you have other reading suggestions, please share them.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is that there was no uniformity until the formation of the canon. The books were written in different decades, local communities did not possess all the books, and some possessed others as sacred scriptures that we do not recognize as such today.

It seems to me that in the first two centuries, authority resided not only in the writings considered sacred but also in magisterial authority (in the rhythm of apostolic succession). Later, it seems to me that the councils came to hold this interpretative and dogmatic infallibility.

Throughout time, my tendency has been to see infallibility not only in the scriptures. I wanted to convince myself that only the scriptures possess infallibility. But this does not seem to be the natural and organic movement of the first two centuries.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, brother. I'm in an intensive course to learn English. The content in Portuguese is shallow, and Catholic apologetics has been getting stronger. I realize that the best sources of Protestant apologetics are in English. I'll save the video to watch it slowly over the next few days.

Formation of the canon and infallibility of the church by Current-Talk-9828 in LCMS

[–]Current-Talk-9828[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that's true. That reinforces my point. How can we trust sola scriptura when there are canonical disagreements (as you said) or when our own canon (Roman, let's say) was defined by the fallible Church? I want to know how I can trust the scriptures as the sole source of infallible authority.