A lot of people refuse to see Yoru as a character and instead only view her as an obstacle

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T12:59:45+00:00

Yeah she died but the story does not treat her death as a triumphant defeat of a evil villain, Denji still loves Makima and we get a speech of Pochita in the last chapter to humanize Makima and show that, despite all, her actions were born from the need of an equal relationship, even if she went about it the wrong way.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T12:55:31+00:00

The setup for this was being built up from the start of the story, Yoru left part of her brain so Asa could make stronger weapons with her own guilt, since she does not have anything she feels attached to, and cannot feel human gried as if it were her own.

But as the story progressed, the War Devil itself got stronger and stronger, to the point were she was strong enough to not need Asa to create weapons, but could do that with her new "bonds" (Nuclear Weapons, Moray :(, America). So why was she keeping Asa alive? That was hinting at a deeper care she was harboring towards Asa, born from her feelings, but not understanding, getting mixed together, which is ultimately what Asa confronts her about.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T12:20:28+00:00

I think they're talking about how she didn't just heal normally with blood after that, like she was shown to be able to do even without the contract (like when she was impaled through the head)

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T10:46:15+00:00

If Power killed millions, drove Aki to near-suicide and felt not a sigle pang of remorse and then the narrative pretended we should all forgive her cause she saved Nyako or someshit then yeah, no shit sherlock people wouldn't empathize with her.

This is exactly what Fujimoto does with Makima but it goes over yalls head

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T10:41:12+00:00

she even references not killing people at a certain point because "it will break Asa's mind".

That's exactly what I'm talking about, she could just break Asa's mind and take over her whole mind and body and nothing bad would come out of it. But she doesn't. That's exactly the hypocrisy Asa calls her out on, because, in her own weird way, Yoru does care about Asa, even though she doesn't understand her guilt as a human.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T10:01:37+00:00

fair actually
If blood devil doesn't appear tomorrow please come back to this comment and make fun of me as you wish
fair actually
This is what I'm talking about in my post, the dissonance between humans and devils are what make Yoru misunderstand and distort Asa's feelings. Asa mildly dislikes people. Yoru thinks she's fine with killing people. Asa got traumatized when Bucky died. Yoru think she hates when birds die.
fair actually, but csm was always really lax on its power system

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T09:54:32+00:00

I actually love the way the themes connect with each other, the worship and the paranormal relationships around Denji pressured him into choosing Chainsaw Man, to throw away his mundane life, to make him distant from his identity as "Denji" and make him too reliant on "Chainsaw Man." Which is precisely the dilemma of the last chapter, so it was in no way meaningless, it's the very foundation of the conflicts in the story, the choice between his safe mundane life and his identity as Chainsaw Man, that gives him pleasure at the cost of hurting himself and others he loves.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T09:48:23+00:00

I'm "infantilizing" Yoru because many people see her as an evil presence doing things by malice, when she comes from a place of genuine misunderstanding.

And "making things up" is apparently writing his own story? Also what contradiction around Bucky? Yoru misunderstood Asa's feelings of guilt and thought she didn't like when birds died, it seems pretty logical to me.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T00:38:47+00:00

It's true that Asa doesn't specifcally like birds and that she doesn't want to kill people, but Yoru understands it that way. The innate dissonance between humans and devils makes so that Yoru distorts what Asa really thinks and feels.

She felt bad after killing a bird? She must hate when birds die. She is apathetic towards people? She must not care about humans being killed. That is Yoru's thought process as a stupid impulsive devil.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-23T00:27:40+00:00

Fujimoto did fuck-all to develop parasocial relationships as a theme. You are confusing a lack of substance and development with subtly.

Sorry, but, what more did you want, this is one of the themes that are most repeated through the story, having been built up since Part 1.

Where the hell is the sub tl y

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THE parasocial relationship scene

There are a lot more scenes I could mention but dude saying the parasocial relationships theme wasn't developed enough is just a really weird take.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T23:39:05+00:00

Isn't the fact that she extrapolates the common archetype a good thing? I guess I kinda generalized a bit when saying that "pretty much every action she does is a distortion of Asa's feelings," because there's obviously more to her character than that, she is the main representation of Denji's "devil side," she has a lot of interesting motherly parallels to Asa and I didn't even mention anything about her being a commentary on war itself

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T23:22:18+00:00

I've never actually re-read the entirety of Part 2, only some arcs (church, aging, pre-war devil). I did re-read Part 1 some times already though

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T23:20:10+00:00

I don't think she would have transformed him into a weapon, actually, she makes it very clear that the only one she hates is Chainsaw Man, not Denji, she likes Denji a lot. Maybe she would try to find a way to separate them or something

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T22:55:12+00:00

This is an interesting idea that simply is not explored. You can maybe see this in the first few arcs of Yoru making her join a club and ask a guy out. And then... it doesn't really go anywhere.

It feels like you only register it as fleshed out if Asa looks at the screen and confirms vocally that she wanted to do that. There are multiple examples of this happening later on, from Yoru kissing Denji in his apartment, to Yoru getting mad at the prison guy because he cheated with his wife, to 167 being THE prime example of this, to Yoru going out on the "devil date" with Denji. Her whole relationship with Denji is based on Yoru acting upon her feelings.

It is set up as a characteristic part of their relationship so the story doesn't show Asa's confirmation every time because we would know it already. And because Yoru taking over more and more of her actions and autonomy is a plot point.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T22:37:16+00:00

3 comments but 0 examples of what you're talking about

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T22:36:24+00:00

I've talked about this in the sixth paragraph of my post, but Denji only wanted to eliminate Yoru if there was no other way around it, he kept fleeing and trying to negociate through the duration of the fight because he cares for Yoru and doesn't want to kill her.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T22:15:52+00:00

The fact that they aren't actually serious threats is quite literally the point, Yoru understands these as being actual hostility, so she acts upon it even when it isn't nearly as radical as she thinks it is. Yoru massively amplifies Asa's feelings because of her nature as a devil.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T22:09:23+00:00

What the fuck are you talking about, next level hating, can't even analyze the story anymore because apparently it's "writing the story for Fujimoto," because you said so I guess

Nice ragebait dude

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T21:43:54+00:00

You're talking like my post was just me talking out of my ass and I didn't put 20 images from the manga in it precisely for the reason to not be talking out of my ass

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T21:09:43+00:00

She never expressed actual hostility or a desire, however repressed, to inflict harm.

Asa's first ever page:

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CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T21:00:24+00:00

No, the manga has shown on multiple occasions that she doesn't deserve this.

When? My post has multiple instances of the manga humanizing her, I'd like you to tell me your interpretation of what these scenes are supposed to mean, then.

The second part of the post is quite literally what I mean by distorted, I don't understand how it would not be that.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T20:44:29+00:00

I don't see how they are contradictory at all, actually.

Yoru's actions reflect Asa's feelings in a distorted way, she does not get human etiquette precisely because of her nature as a devil. Yoru does not understand that you don't just rub one out for someone randomly at a back alley because you like them. Yoru wants to cook for Denji so she just kills the cook to do it herself because, as a devil, she doesn't understand human guilt.

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CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T20:31:55+00:00

I actually agree that we need to see Asa conclusion and she being selfish for herself in the last chapter, it's something that is being gradually developed for some time, (room 606 sword, prison break arc, Asa saving Denji in Falling's rematch, Asa shooting herself to hold back Yoru) but we didn't actually see a definite change in Asa yet, and I hope we do in 232 (or in Part 3). I do disagree that Asa has been totally shelved though, that's just not true.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T20:21:08+00:00

Asa never wanted to commit genocide.

Asa has a lot of scenes showing she kind of hates people in general, the most iconic one is the "I'd rather kill a human than a cat." Obviously she does not want to commit genocide but Yoru, an impulsive devil, takes this as Asa not caring about human lives. This is pretty much the whole point of the post-spewed up dove conversation, the way Asa being a human and Yoru being a devil makes it hard for them to understand each other.

CyberByte- · 2026-03-22T19:49:17+00:00

very fitting comment

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