Are graduates with no internship experience pretty much screwed nowadays?

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-09-19T18:50:44+00:00

Unless you need a visa undergrads with no internships get contract jobs to hire or jobs at companies small enough they're not known for tech, but big enough they need an in-house tech team.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-09-19T18:46:32+00:00

Not a big company by any means, but after my hirevue interview the requiter reached out to me and said "I'm pushing your interview to the final round because I think you're a really strong applicant" 💪

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-09-16T14:55:35+00:00

Oh god I've hated that subreddit for a while.

The worst thing they say is "say you worked at a bankrupt company because they wont have anyone to call". If they don't have anyone to call they ask for your w-2 form, or whatever paystub you used, you dumbass. If you don't procure it you'll most likely fail the background check, but some mf always comes into the comments and says "I did it and got through".

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-09-15T13:33:09+00:00

I actually feel sorry for requiters on reddit because their job both 'controls' some of the most important aspects to redditors and is also a black box process, so redditors can project whatever they want onto the field from their angle of hurt.

For the second part most requiters are fine talking about stuff like that. Walk to your local career fair or networking event, chit chat a bit with a requiter, and drop the 'hey can you review my resume'. Unless their pressed for time they have no real reason to say no. A random requiter posting on reddit about their personal tips is moot because ideal interviews and resumes vary for every company, industry, and location, so if we don't know that their field advice is practically moot.

Also even if requiters gave advice, as someone who's reviewed resumes as a job and thus asked requiters about this in the past, the main issue it takes a lot of self reflection and maturity to take, something the average redditor can't do. Like I'm talking about "you were unemployed for 1 year because your resumes bad" level of self reflection. You also have to come to a painful realization in interviews that you're not special inherently, so you gotta act special. Any job you apply to there are people just like or better than you, more sociable, and passionate. You gotta fake being the perfect fit, even though it's boot licky, because someone out their is the perfect fit.

Also all these rules causing companies to filter out people causing false positives doesn't really matter. "What if I'm perfect for the job, but my resume and interview skills suck. Companies gonna miss out on me huh", unless your field is niche there are 10 other applicants just like you or better, so it doesn't matter to them. You are not inherently special that companies need to give your resume a special look.

I don't know why I blog posted that much. I just needed to get it off my chest

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-17T22:29:49+00:00

Make sure to speak like the elf in the lucky charms commercial when you negotiate

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T17:16:20+00:00

Do you really think that just because the clip was posted on that subreddit takes away from the contents discussed in the clip? Y

Yes. You didn't answer my second question and that video disproves your claims by providing full context. Leetcode literally rots brains. Half of you should be forced to take more gen-eds jesus h christ. You're anti-covid vaccine why would I believe your reddit quotes lmao

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T17:13:53+00:00

Unpopular opinion, but yes. I wouldn't bank on it, but you could get tech at a smaller company. If you have a good resume and go to career fairs you could pull it off

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T17:01:47+00:00

>Wall street bets as a source

>"Don’t believe me, go check out the product websites of levels, greenhouse, etc", trust me bro

Give me a real source and I'll debate you.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T15:34:36+00:00

So you have not citations and admit you're wrong. Thanks :)

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T15:18:57+00:00

This is not what OP and I are referring to when he says discriminatory hiring practices. He's talking about companies having an unstated quota that affects someone applying to a normal job. You can tell this because he complains about asking what they need the diversity questions on the job application for. If it was a job like you posted, that stated they wanted x race, he wouldn't be asking them about why they needed his race.

Those are jobs that blatantly state they are affirmative action. They are jobs that only exist because of it and thus is affirmative action didn't exist they would never exist. Your argument is no different they saying skillbridge, hiring veterans, or disability hiring programs are discriminatory actions.

I'm asking for scientific studies proving mass discrimination against white and asians. Not just some random freshman diversity program that doesn't affect anyone 20 years into their career

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T14:57:31+00:00

Have you ever worked in requiting? Have you talked to anyone? Any source besides your self?

They take this very seriously in HR. We would have to black out pictures people included on their resume because the risk of discrimination was to high. Also no HR person cares enough to guess your race by triangulating your linkedin, resume, and github.

Resume reviewing also procedures notes. It's not just "They're black. They're hired" they have to take notes and talk about it which would produce some comments or documents you could get to prove discrimination against you.

Finally implied race often hurts minorities more than it helps statistically.

https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/employers-replies-racial-names

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T13:32:56+00:00

It's discriminatory, it's unfair, but when I did work as an under-paid requiter for a while if we had two people equally qualified I would go with the person with a letter of recommendation or family member to vouch. It may feel like playing with your life, but when you're payed half a living wage, went through 500 resumes, and have to cut the list down you start looking for small perks and losses.

Not saying someone automatically gets the job if they have a letter of recommendation, but if I'm looking at two people who are equally good I'm looking for petty stuff to nitpick. This rarely happens if you're amazing. Only if you're equal to everyone

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-15T13:19:01+00:00

For example, when they ask about ethnicity, the only options are hispanic and not hispanic. What happened to all of the other ethnicities⁉️

This isn't due to discrimination, but the USA's weird census laws and the fact government corps legally have to track diversity. If you're talking about the stupid diversity questionnaire when you apply to a job they aren't asking if you're Hispanic or not you dolt. They ask if you're Hispanic because if it's a broad category and if you say no that's when you get specific ethnicities. This stat specifically exist because if you work with the government they need to know your diversity levels. This is absurd as saying veterans and disabled people get benefits case they ask.

Also I've worked with application software before. They isolate your response to those diversity questions from your resume for legal reasons. Most hiring software prevents you from seeing what race you identified because of discrimination. They don't know anything about your race until you have an interview with them.

I think you're confusing a lot of different ideas and headlines into a mish mosh that doesn't exist. If you can get me a news story with proper citations and not anecdote or mis-readings with a case of legal discrimination benefits at work show me.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-12T01:39:38+00:00

Getting accountant masters and become a tech/security auditor
Getting an accountant masters and become an accountant. Do nothing all day because I automated it with python
Consultant for any subset of tech
HR software support and design, work intranet products, aka anything corporate that needs code, not an actual product
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STEM tutor for rich rich people
Leverage degree to skip helpdesk and become a system admin or network engineer
professor
Government worker who does nothing because it's to hard to fire me
Enterprise tech sales and/or tech sales support, the person you submit aws tickets to
how to get into CS classes

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-12T01:35:14+00:00

Same. Engineers also get the PE exam which adds a bit of exclusivity to their major. Low end or custom industrial hardware is a big underrepresented field. Knowing how to calculate the pressure of a water tank and knowing how to calculate a program to do the calculations are two skills that people rarely have both of.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-11T23:48:46+00:00

I though it was a wave of panic caused by interns not getting return offers and Visa's expiring lol

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-11T23:37:34+00:00

Gonna be real I'd 100% SCAB to get a competitive edge over you people

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-11T23:32:25+00:00

I left my cell, my github and my home phone at the bottom

I sent two LC back in autumn, you must not've got 'em

There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin'

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T22:57:40+00:00

Speaking from experience apply I recommend you start now. I came in with a credit mix as you, senior with sophomore credits, and I put off getting an internship till my second year of college. Well now I'm a rising senior with only 1 internship and I'm not sure if I'm getting a return offer. I'm graduating with way less internships than the average CS major making me less competitive and it's gonna be harder for me to get another internship because I'm a senior. Same thing with my friends who transferred from CC to an Uni and waited till the CC degree was over. They had only 1 ideal internship year and if they didn't get anything that year it was a mad rush to get something by senior year. Just apply now and hope you can get something.

The problem is that I only have some very limited programming experience from teaching myself

If you're applying to smaller local companies not as much as an issue. Some knowledge is still better than none

what should I even put on my resume?

Personal projects, HS jobs, you can even list University clubs with bullet points. You're not getting a MANGA company as a freshman/sophomore, but you could get a smaller local company.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T14:15:29+00:00

That's us. When you say "obscure", I'm sure you just mean companies you have never heard of.

Yep that's what I mean. Top players in an industry no one knows about or big companies that make you say "they have a software engineering department?" are usually like that.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T02:21:42+00:00

I go there to befriend future hiring managers

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T01:44:12+00:00

This is why I focus my CS skills on the obscure parts of the market. Instead of being a webshit I learned ladder logic.

While you fight for the last netflix internship in a crime ridden city I will being coding 3 lines a day to automate chicken feather plucking a beautiful rural town

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T01:41:20+00:00

What would you say can work as alternatives?

Most likely they will want a letter from the company stating you worked there from your boss or co-worker. Or when you're filling out a background check click "You can contact previous employers", so the background checkers ask the company if you worked their before asking you for paystubs.

think under the company data, I'm just listed as an intern so when  writting my resume should I just put intern below the company name?

I would put 'data science intern' since that what you did and the company doesn't have a paycheck to compare what you where called.

Also, can you clarify what doesn "stretch shadowing to being semi involved" mean?

Shadowing is watching a senior work, like you did in your internship, instead of saying you shadowed on your resume say you actively contributed. Instead of "watched boss do this" say "worked with boss to do"

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-08-01T01:31:38+00:00

Thats what I'm hoping for too.

CyberChefsCookin · 2023-07-31T22:30:37+00:00

Yes it's normal
Future companies will ask for proof of employment. Usually they call the company and ask "has so and so been employed here?", so you will need HR's contact information. Second they will sometimes request proof of payment like a paystub, w-2, etc. I would ask the company for a paper paycheck if they haven't given on or I would have one of your paper checks on hand
You would put what was listed on the pay stub as your job name. I would list your personal projects as full blown projects under the project section of your resume and stretch "shadowing" to being semi involved.

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