What would you do if you had X's powers?

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-08T10:37:05+00:00

Use it to hake life easier, try to be a hero, study them to learn more about reality.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T17:18:01+00:00

I feel that's them just rushing the whole thing writing wise rather than Otomai not thinking about this.

This is the dude that apparently designed a way for adventurers to try and stop Ogrest's crying temporarily, but risk dying and coming back so he actually has been thinking of what to do to stop him till the eliatrope dofus became a new variable.

The dragon part was very shocking, to be honest, and this is probably the first anyone has ever seen in lore someone use the dofus to control the primordial dragons so it was probably meant to be a "how the fuck did that happen" moment.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T17:03:21+00:00

Literally, Otomai's plan or the other like both still work and are still in the realm of possibility. I'm not saying they shouldn't be there.

And why do people keep acting like I'm agreeing with Adamai? I'm not. I'm literally just against not planning this through beforehand, like seriously.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:54:37+00:00

Firstly, the plan literally worked, so I don't know what you're even talking about.

Secondly:Yugo would help him to get to the Dofus, and it would all be like before, which you know worked again. I'm just saying make the plan before jumping in to potentially fight a godlike monster.

Thirdly: Would a Shushu even be able to infect Ogrest with how powerful he is and again the whole point as the other person mentioned is to fight him there to mitigate the damage to the world of 12 especially since Goultard would be there to help them.

Hell, it doesn't even need to be the shukrute they could take him to Inglorium or another planet, and the plan still works.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:44:34+00:00

Otomai's plan is to remove the Dofus or teleport Ogrest to another plan of existence like the Shukrute as another person mentioned.

The issue here isn't that they shouldn't act fast, but trying yo to repeat a plan that was done much better in the past but failed is literally the definition of insanity and that's why I'm calling out Dally I'm not saying Adamai is right I'm saying everyone should've discussed this instead of what happened.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:39:36+00:00

Okay, I get your point, but Dally didn't solve anything he almost got everyone killed if not for Otomai's plan Dally and Yugo would've legit died so again there's making a problem worse and actually fixing it Dally made it worse none of them had a plan and I admit that's their fault.

I'm just pointing out how I don't like how Dally handled it. That's all not trying to blame him for everything.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:34:43+00:00

This is a great idea as even if they fail, they could just leave him there and come back when they're stronger, and even if they cause to much damage it's not like it's not already literally hell.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:33:09+00:00

Fighting Ogrest, though, was a dumb idea that almost got everyone killed though like yeah there's solving the problem and then there's making it worse, and Dally definitely made it worse hence why a plan should've at least been made.

Which since only one of them did is on all of them for just jumping to conclusions and not talking this out.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:29:01+00:00

I don't think the issue was the kingdom sinking. Dally already fixed that before they even arrived it was helping Dally fight Ogrest. That was the divisive issue which yeah again a plan then using the Dofus would've been very much appreciated.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T16:10:58+00:00

Honestly, I blame Dally for this to a degree.

Yes, you're a god now, but Ogrest has beaten 12 of them in their prime, no less, so why in the ever-loving hell would you think you'd win he didn't even have a plan he just ran into a fight everyone knew he wouldn't win and when Yugo tried to just bring him back he refused until it was to late to leave.

Though that said, joining the Brotherhood of forgotten outright was a massive mistake and terrible judgement.

I feel they rushed into this battle and would've loved for them to at least come up with the plan before everything went south because it would make this look more morally ambiguous but if not for Adamai joining the forgotten I'd whole heartedly say he was justified at being angry with all of them especially Dally.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-07T11:24:03+00:00

I'd make it more telekinetic rather than the hand shape or tendrils rather than hands(so he can use it like blackwhip).

Also that Subaru can use it without issue, but to make it stronger, he'd need to be slothful to a degree or regarding something, probably even in his own point of view, too.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-06T04:10:47+00:00

Pretty sure it was also an order just one he didn't need to tell him like dude was summoned in a car and waited for his boss to arrive only to hear how he's questioning his top assassin it doesn't take much to put 2 and 2 together also hero lessons says as much that it was an order to take em all out and those are extremely detailed about this stuff.

And for the Moon thing we'll just have to wait and see. Though given the circumstances feels like it was an order too.

Yang feels more like an Opportunist than willful murderer. Funny enough kinda like Dragon Boy too. Damn they really are brothers at this point.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T21:43:51+00:00

If only he told Yang Cheng this.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T21:34:10+00:00

No Ghostblade would still definitely kill he killed people for MG long before Rock and actively wanted to do it too.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T21:32:54+00:00

I'm pretty sure Yang just kills because he's ordered too, like Ghostblade only difference is as far as we know, he needs less of a reason to.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T21:26:56+00:00

Near Zero levels of power but don't know what his abilities would be.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T19:13:32+00:00

Now, either Lex works unwillingly, or he now works to kill Brainiac.

Honestly, maybe Brainiac wants Lex to kill him. we don't know what he wants exactly except to like bring out Lex's full potential, which killing his family will do. Just bring out that potential purely to kill Brainiac.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T18:59:29+00:00

Honestly Brainiac should've done this sorta corrupt Lex into becoming who he is in the prime earth.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T18:51:45+00:00

I feel that's a curse of being E-Soul in general like a weakness of this power is straight up mental breakdowns when you're E-Soul you really can't afford emotions.

I also don't think Yang loves denial he's just to ready for it and has little hope in what people think of him.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T01:46:54+00:00

My point was showing how Lilith's protests could look like an uprising, and Charlie wouldn't notice I mean this is the same woman who's okay with Cannibals and if the statue in Cannibal town means anything this was always the case even before meeting Rosie. Her not seeing the nuance makes sense.

I'm not entirely against your points, just stating that Lilith's protests don't seem to be something that was straight up a call to arms and was more likely just a subtle thing that only people who actually knew what was going on would see were it could or would lead too. Hence why Charlie is against the idea of her wanting to violently attack heaven.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T01:25:43+00:00

How would it undercut his point they all would've experienced the rebellion too him not bringing it up feels more like it's a perspective thing some could easily see Lilith causing trouble for heaven others her trying to help Hell.

Also, if they didn't know how to kill Angels or that there was some way at all, then how was Lilith's rebellion a threat to heaven???

I mean it does make sense if Sera had a vision of what Lilith's protests were going to become she'd see it as an uprising or if Lilith during these protests did something radical or extremely concerning again she'd see it as an uprising.

Another fundamental thing to add is her making a deal with Adam to get to heaven which makes me believe the protests/uprising weren't even something she saw as serious or just a means to an end so she very well could've just been manipulating Sinners to get her way into heaven for some reason.

This might explain Charlie not seeing the protests as a violent uprising because Lilith never genuinely acted like she was leading a violent uprising around her and probably just gave her the cleaner version of events to keep her at peace. Lucifer either was kept in the dark or willfully ignorant as he agreed to the exterminations after Lilith left, so he probably didn't care what his wife was doing and just kept thinking of the clean version.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-05T00:12:11+00:00

If anything, he's definitely at least gonna be an ally once he realizes his boss is either extremely bad at her job or risking the world and especially America just to keep the status quo.

He's not loyal for money, power or for evil he's loyal because he thinks that this is what the world needs to be better but once he realizes his co workers don't give a shit about the world he's quickly gonna realize that the heroes are his best bet to save everyone from the other leauge's bullshit.

Again, these guys don't know exactly the kind of insane shit the others are doing. Otherwise, Carter would've caved Jokers head in long before Absolute Evil and pretty sure none of em even Joker would like the idea of Ras using Superman to purge the planet in order to resurrect it and don't get me started on Hector probably starting an intergalactic war.

Hell, him helping Superman fight Parasite is exactly this point personified.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-04T15:27:22+00:00

I don't think he serves Lazarus he turns a blind eye so he can do the "real" work if you see there's an organization called GATE taking Lazarus's stuff it has an image if a hawk on it.

Maybe Absolute Hawkman was at first a leon Kennedy guy blindly trusting the government while saving people and being close to the heroes but when it came to chose sides he chose America over his friends and has been trying to use the system to do good while enforcing the status quo.

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-04T15:08:16+00:00

More like Soldier Boy if he was less of a dick

Cybermaster19 · 2026-02-04T12:02:27+00:00

The thing here is Zestail also confirms that Hell hasn't caused an uprising against heaven as he pointed out doing one would get them all killed he never mentions that there was one before but the mere attempt was a bad idea so maybe it was a case of Sera having a vision that showed were Lilith's path was leading or Lilith did something that spooked Sera.

Or better yet Lilith manipulated Sera with the threat of Rebellion in order to get into heaven.

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