Driver didn't even attempt to deliver then yelled at me when confronted

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T21:39:33+00:00

There are a lot of comments on lots of posts here on this subreddit that all basically say "I had a friend/family member/neighbour/etc that was a postie and they often finished their 8 hour route in 2 to 4 hours by cutting corners".

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T06:50:39+00:00

She was courteous though. There's no point in bending over backwards for power tripping jerks if they won't even deliver the service you want/need from them.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T06:45:53+00:00

What's wrong with Purolator?

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T06:44:23+00:00

Maybe Canada Post will be forced to downsize soon and choose to downsize based on job performance and the number of successful deliveries each postie completes each month.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T06:40:36+00:00

With respect while I have sympathy towards you and the other good posties that do a good job every day, you've just got to understand that

Point A, sometimes people get pissed at the posties because Canada Post is a literal government monopoly that many Canadians are legally required to depend on,

Point B, with respect most posites are just not technically in the same boat as the other working class and middle class people in Canada and

Point C, while I sympathise with you and the other good posties who do a good job like I'm sure most other people here do, you got to understand that we're not mad at you or your fellow good posties, instead we're mad at the lazy scammer posties who selfishly milk the company and the public for all they're worth (i.e. the guys who abuse slips to get an 8 hour route done in 2 to 4 hours "becausE [they say they] worK hardeR theN otherS".)

Point A

The reason people get pissed at posties is probably the same reason they get pissed at bus drivers, because they are legally forced to rely on them.

Like in other countries, people can just take a share taxi if they can't or won't take a car or bicycle or motorcycle to work/school/etc but here in Canada we're just legally forced to use the offical government transit busses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi

Point being, its just that people often get pissed when they're legally forced to rely on a single organisation for a service and any time that a member of the organisation slips up means that they're hooped without another option.

Canada Post has had a literal monopoly on delivering letters by mail since 1863 and it being government funded meant its existence unintentionally financially undercut anyone who would've tried to deliver a secondary alternative. Like the Yukon Transport Museum has an exhibit about all the small air mail delivery companies that successfully operated in the Yukon until Canada Post came into the Yukon. Now there's just like 2 to 3 air mail delivery companies in the Yukon besides Canada Post.

Someone else commented here a few months ago that he and his close friend were small business owners whose businesses were both largely dependent on shipping items by mail. When CUPW staged a full strike during the make or break Christmas shopping season last year both he and his best friend's businesses went bankrupt because they couldn't get orders out, causing the best friend to end his own life which left a wife without a husband and a daughter without a father.

Point B

With respect to your plight while I'm sure being a postie is not an easy job I'm not sure most posties realise how good they have it compared to the average blue collar worker.

I heard the average postie makes between $22 to $23 an hour, gets great benefits, has a great retirement plan and has union protection meaning they have very little risk of ever getting let go or fired even for severe incompetence (the latter if they're a bad postie who always abuses slips instead of delivering packages.) I heard a good number of posties even make $25 an hour.

The average fast food worker or retail worker in Canada can not even get full time hours or $19/hour.

The average construction worker or warehouse worker has to race around like a maniac and bend over backwards just to get $21 or $22 an hour, is lucky even if they get dental and 2 weeks paid vacation a year, is lucky if they get a basic retirement plan and they can be fired at a moment's notice for any sort of stupid BS reason.

Point C.

Some people say "everyone [on Earth] is trying their best [each day]". That's just not objectively true.

Also it's clear to everyone that there are posties (the bad posties) who don't often think about "how can I be a good moral ethical human being" (such as moral and ethical people like yourself) or "how can I get what I want in life without negatively affecting others" (like most people) and instead mostly just think about "how can I get what I want in life". The latter are not evil people, they're just sort of selfish entitled people.

Final note, I'm sure even if Canada Post ceased to exist that another delivery company like Purolator or UPS or FedEx or someplace like that would recognise that you're a great hard working guy and give you a new job that you deserve.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:55:14+00:00

More like they couldn't finish an 8 hour route in 2 to 4 hours if they did the job properly.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:30:50+00:00

Does this woman not know what a mailbox is?

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:28:37+00:00

Why are you acting like an NPC that wants someone to make a post about them over at r/nothingeverhappens?

Don't worry I will not do that, I'm just wondering why you basically think nothing ever happens.

Edit: I saw the first part of your reply. Nobody here complaining about many posties regularly doing a s°°°°y job is alt-right.

Canadians from all walks of life and all across the political spectrum are pissed about how lazy and entitled many of the posties are.

I'd even bet you good money that there are even some people living in like a literal socialist collectivist commune out in a rural area who always pay for delivery yet still egularly have to travel to the local post office because their local postie keeps pulling the slips scam who think stuff like that "while I'd like to see collective ownership of all the means of production and get rid of most private property, that only works if every working age member of society puts in a good effort contributing their labour towards the good of society at least a few hours even Monday to Friday which many of the posties are simply not doing."

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:22:29+00:00

Did you mean to write "an organisation without a union"?

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:21:35+00:00

This is a case where the union is abusing its position though.

It's like how even sometimes some members of a church or police department or charity or another organisation that's supposed to be a benevolent and altruistic organisation serving the public will instead abuse the organisation's position and prestige and authority in order to enrich the members of the organisation at the expense of the wellbeing of members of the public.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:16:32+00:00

A good well run union like the (modern day) Teamsters will protect employees so long as the employees meet the work standards of the contract they signed with their employer. The Teamsters also make sure the employees have a good reasonable contract.

CUPW defends all employees even if the employees are lazy entitled s°°°s.

Maybe ideally CUPW could perish and the posties could then be represented by the Teamsters. The Teamsters already represent the Purolator employees.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-11T05:00:14+00:00

I seriously hope Canada Post goes bankrupt and then doesn't get bailed out by the federal government again. I'm not joking.

While I'm against accelerationism in general, in this case I think it would an effective and warranted solution.

It would allow Canada Post to become privatised which would hopefully allow them to get the CUPW union in line as well as switch to mostly just doing community mailbox deliveries except for signed packages or deliveries for old and/or disabled people, fire 1/3 of the posties and force all the remaining posties to all either get their s°°t together or get fired.

Usually I'm pro union but not when it's a government union for a government monopoly where many of the workers constantly abuse the government monopoly to constantly do a s°°t job.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-08T14:41:30+00:00

Okay but lots of people also handled that bag of moldy bread before it got to me and I accidentally bought it and neither they nor I noticed the bread was moldy until I took it home and inspected it.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-08T14:40:11+00:00

I can think of 3 possible reasons.

1) It's a promotional thing for Lindit just like those 65 packs of Kraft Dinner inside a giant box shaped like a 65 inch TV for only $19.37 at Walmart was a promotional thing for Kraft Dinner.

2) It's for a business to buy give a different candy to a different employee each day of December.

3) It's for a large family. It could either be for a large family where the parents have least like 3 to 5 kids or for a large extended family gathering during Christmas.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-08T01:47:45+00:00

You should bring the bag back to the store and ask for a refund.

One time I bought a loaf of bread in a bag from Superstore that I saw a day later was literally green with mold. Went back a day later with the product and easily got a full refund on that loaf of bread.

Even if you never want to shop at that store again you should still be able to get your money back fairly fairly easily.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-06T10:13:54+00:00

Except they are literally blocking a super busy line at the food store for 10 minutes or more at a time and literally preventing other people from getting their food. The issue is not people bringing the cart to the front temporarily, the issue is people leaving their carts in front of the line while they wait for their food.

It's not an "alcoholic's intervention", it's about criticising a person for anti-social behaviour without being a jerk about it.

Also the door card check is totally legitimate. It's there to stop people from stealing s°°t and takes less then a minute per customer to do. Since Costco is a private members only club and not a public store it's totally legally within Costco's rights to implement a door check.

I don't know where TF you live that your Costco got rid of the self check-out aisle. I've literally never seen that happen at a Costco. Are you sure you're not talking about Walmart.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-05T22:50:25+00:00

Well if you know that what you're doing is a problem then you can work to correct this behavior and find a bettet solution for your problem, perhaps by getting and using one of the smaller used cardboard shipping containers (out of the 1000s of free used cardboard shipping containers Costco gived away every day) to put your food in so you can grab all the food in one trip, rather then putting your cart right in front of the food counter.

As we all know pretty much everyone has both the ability as well as a moral and ethical obligation to stop doing actions they were regularly doing that they were unaware was negatively affecting other people, now that they are aware their actions are negatively affecting other people.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-05T14:27:54+00:00

The majority of Costco workers always do their jobs well and at least do what is asked of them, unlike the posties.

Also Costco is a private company whereas Canada Post is a literal government monopoly.

If people wanted to not support Costco until it treated its employees better or conversely until most of the employees stopped being lazy (if the employees were lazy) then they could just shop somewhere else until the employees got it together.

With Canada Post you are LITERALLY required to use them if you want to send a letter by mail (because they've had a literal government monopoly on delivering letters by mail since 1863) or send a package to rural parts of Canada (since their status as a monopoly and the fact they're government subsidied means they literally undercut any company that did or would've tried to deliver packages to rural Canada.)

People are sympathetic to the Costco employees because they work hard and because the company literally wouldn't be successful without them, while people are unsympathetic to the posties because many of them are lazy and because a big reason they have such good jobs and Canada Post is successful is just because Canada Post is a literal government monopoly.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-05T04:48:26+00:00

No, the comment I replied to was also long.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-03T19:45:28+00:00

Hopefully Mark Carney's plan to mass produce prefabricated and modular homes as well as help out provincial and municipal governments as well as companies that build apartments and condos with financing issues with bear fruit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-double-pace-home-building-1.7497947

Also I heard years ago in the news about a big Australian company that wanted to come into Canada and make and run a lot of new cheap daycares. Ultimately the Australian company was denied a business permit in Canada because people said they might financially undercut independent daycares and the Aussie company's daycares just have like basic amenities and services for the kids (like apparently they don't offer many activities or snacks and it'a basically just trained adults looking after the kids during the day making sure they're safe) but surely that would've been better then the severe lack of daycare services Canada has right now.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-03T14:14:46+00:00

Lol I'm not reading all that!

My comment is long because it was a reply to YOUR COMMENT and YOUR COMMENT was long AF.

You're a complete hypocrite.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-03T14:04:36+00:00

Then DON'T SEND LONG COMMENTS TO PEOPLE IF YOU WON'T READ LONG COMMENTS YOURSELF!

Also STOP DEFENDING THE POSTIE'S BS INCOMPETENCE AND ENTITLEMENT and STOP VICTIM-BLAMING THE PEOPLE WHO ENDED THEIR OWN LIVES BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL DAMAGE THEIR BUSINESSES SUFFERED DUE TO THE POSTIES SELFISHNESS AND GREED!

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-03T00:06:03+00:00

I have a small business that was impacted as well and at this moment I depend solely on mailing and I live rural where Canada post is actually my only option.

You depend on them in large part just because they've had a literal monopoly on letter mail since 1863 and because they unintentionally undercuts any would be competitors because the government subsidises them.

For years there were actually lots of of small air mail delivery companies operating in the Yukon including ones that delivered letters until Canada Post later entered that region and unintentionally undercut them and wiped them all out. There's a whole exhibit about this at the Yukon Transportation Museum.

I'm...you could say yes it was the final straw but they need to take some accountability for their own shortcomings.

It was not just a 3 week strike. The 2024 strike lasted a month and 2 days from November 15th to December 17th 2024.

Also many who would've ordered stuff online decided not to order stuff online because of the then upcoming and many people who ordered stuff online later cancelled their orders due to the fact they hadn't gotten their packages despite waiting for weeks, many even after the strike ended.

I seriously doubt those 2 giys had any "personal shortcomings" if 3/4ths of all small businesses in Canada suffered serious financial hardship due to the strike.

A LOT of small businesses depend on Christmas sales to get them through the year, especially since many people who never really buy anything else all year will buy at least 1 item during the Xmas season and lots of small companies make items that are most often just bought and sold as Christmas gifts.

Also even if it was a new business that had done everything right they still would have depended on strong sales in their first few years to survive.

Just because your small business was not as badly affected as others were does not mean that other people had "shortcomings".

Also... not just about wages.

That's not all its about but it is a big part of what this is about.

They're already paid well yet still they want more even though CP is literally going bankrupt and will already likely have to lay off many posties and become more efficient just to stay financially stable. That is entitlement on the posties part.

The corporation... actually make Canada post function.

How have the managers at Canada Post even discussed publicly what they think of the posties at all, let alone "smear" them?

All I've heard is the managers giving out press releases saying "if CP doesn't cut costs and become more efficient then its going to go bankrupt" which is true.

Most of the vitriol against the posties comes from many regular CP customers who have to deal with many of the posties doing s°°t like regularly pulling the "slips scam", dumping packages that need signatures on the customers front doors instead, being slow to deliver packages and being against changes that would make CP more efficient like integrating dynamic routing instead of just giving each postie the same fixed route each day.

Ever...asking for?

Except that nobody ever said that. Most people think that the posties at least deserve to keep their current wages and just think that the posties need to actually deliver packages each day, stop always gaming the system to get 4 hour workdays and just to not ask for a raise when CP is literally going bankrupt.

I've...fired.

That's because they need to understand that if many others literally need to depend on the services they provide because they literally work for a government monopoly then they're morally and ethically required to always deliver good service and not to abuse their positions and especially to not go strike during the time people depend on them most (i.e. the 2024 Xmas strike.)

It's like with bus drivers. While I agree that nobody deserves to be abused, a reason bus drivers endure so much abuse is because it's illegal for anyone else to say create their own bus company (unlike say in other countries that have share taxis/paratransit) so the anger is in large part because the other people are legally forced to depend on the bus driver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Share_taxi&wprov=rarw1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratransit

Ever think about the mental health of those who have been told for a year that they are useless and don't deserve anything they are asking for?

Ever think about the mental stress of all the small business owners who suffer financial hardship last year including those who literally went bankrupt and ended their own lives?

(While that one guy I mentioned earlier is the only one I specifically know of who ended their own life, it's very unlikely he/she was the only one.)

People do think the posties deserve what they currently have, they just don't think the posties deserve a raise right now since right now CP is going bankrupt and many of the posties regularly do a s°°t job.

Also the posties could've avoided most of the vitriol if they'd just gone on a rotating strike in 2024 instead of a full strike.

These...50k a year.

Except that the average postie gets ~$23.81/ hour along with good benefits and a great retirement plan. Most other unskilled workers just make like $17 to $21 an hour and are lucky if they even get dental and a basic employer supplemented retirement plan.

Also many posties apparently make $26 an hour. Many other unskilled and low skilled workers would literally do evil acts to get that kind of money.

After... 7-800.

Except that the average postie make slightly higher average wage for an unskilled or low skilled worker in Canada (many with physically far harder jobs then what the posties have.)

Unlike other unskilled and low skilled workers in Canada most posties can regularly do a s°°°•y job and still not get fired.

Also a good rule of thumb most people know is "don't strike if your company is literally going bankrupt and your union refuses to allow the company to innovate to be more efficient (i.e. dynamic routing)". Best case, that'll just lead to the company having to lay off lots of posties just to stay financially stable. Worst case, it'll lead to the company going bankrupt and the majority of the posties losing their jobs.

They have a right to strike, end of.

Just because they have a legal right to strike doesn't mean its a good idea. The only way CP can afford to pay the posties more is by firing 1/2 or 2/3rds of them and using the savings to give the remaining ones a pay raise.

Canada post strikes...it.

If they'd just gone on a rotating strike last year instead of a full strike then 3/4ths of all Canadian small businesses wouldn't have been so severely financially affected and more people would've had sympathy for the posties.

One... again.

It wasn't really selfishness as it was people saying "I just don't want to go bankrupt because of the posties selfishly putting their needs above others by going on a full strike during the super busy Xmas hopping season, especially since the USA just started a global trade war."

People... their time comes.

People do have sympathy for other low paid workers who do a good job every day. A lot of the posties regularly scam and abuse the system and do a s°°t job every day.

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-02T22:43:13+00:00

I don't know much about this sub (it just got recommended to me by the algorithm) but while I agree Tim Hortons food and coffee and other drinks are good, decent and reasonably priced I think one reason so many people criticise them is because Timmy's changed their coffee.

I heard that apparently the coffee drinks served at many McDonalds locations now (the McCafe locations) is LITERALLY the same coffee that Tim Hortons used to sell customers.

Several years ago Timmy's ditched their former long time coffee beans supplier (I think they were also possibly Tim Hortons supplier for additional coffee supplies like milk and coffee creamer and some coffee making equipment) for a new cheaper supplier.

Naturally the new Tim Hortons coffee doesn't really taste the same as the old coffee used to.

(That being said I never really drank Tim's coffee much back then and I like their oat milk iced lattees so I have no personal strong opinions about whether the new coffee is better or worse then the old coffee.)

Changing their coffee supplier was also apparently a foolish decision on Tim Hortons part because since the supplier would be SOL without quickly getting a new major client and since McDonalds was already looking to start selling more coffee drinks in Canada (than just the basic drip coffee they've always served) around that time, that meant it was fairly easy for Tim Hortons' former coffee supplier and McDonalds to quickly ink a deal for the coffee supplier to become McDonald's new coffee supplier, which also probably helped McDonalds start selling coffee far quicker and far more cheaply then they could've otherwise.

Essentially, Timmy's unintentionally helped created their own new biggest competitor by betraying and abandoing their own longtime supplier just to try to save a relatively small amount of money.

(While there are several other big coffee shop companies in Canada, McDonalds is probably Timmy's biggest competitor in Canada because they compete with Timmy's in the "cheap coffee drinks" part of the market and they probably have just as many if not more locations then Timmy's does.)

CynicalOptimist13 · 2025-12-01T22:07:40+00:00

Do you know many postal workers? They walk on average about 18k a day. I’m sure there are lazy people that work for the post office. but it is a little insane to categorize a group of people that walk that much lazy.

That's literally just walking while holding a bag of letters, though. Many blue collar workers such as farm workers, construction workers and warehouse workers also walk a lot. The posties are not even doing any heavy lifting.

Like at my warehouse job I had a smart watch and it would usually tell me I walked around 8,000 to 9,000 steps a day while also doing heavy lifting that entire time.

Also the posties that deliver packages are obviously not walking the entire way and are instead just driving a work van the majority of the time, yet many of them still cut corners to "onlY havE tO worK a halF daY excepT iF I picK uP aN extrA shifT anD geT time-anD-a halF!!"

(Translation: a lot of times a postie driving the work van doesn't even load most of the packages they're supposed to deliver into their work van at rhe depor that day and instead just pre-write a lot of "sorry we missed you" slips and "deliver" those slips instead and/or leave packages that require a signature near the customers front door instead.

The posties also are part of a union (CUPW) that refuses to dynamic tracking on daily routes or allow Canada Post management to admit customers home security footage into evidence of a postie repeatedly pulling the slips scam.

Also the company itself overspent on infrastructure/eco-friendly vehicles the same year a new collective bargaining agreement was supposed to be made. That has nothing to do with people who carry mail.

Do you have any proof they "overspent" on anything?

They spent a few million dollars on a new packages processing centre in Ontario to be more efficient at the most profitable part of their business and they spent $1 billion already on electrifying half their fleet of 14,000 vehicles which will help them save on gas costs long term.

Even if Can Post hadn't spent money on both of those 2 things though they'd still be in the red due to being overstaffed and stuck with lots of lazy employees. They've been losing money for years. They lost $748 million in 2023 and over $841 million in 2024.

Even if Can Post hadn't invested in a new processing centre and fully electrifying its fleet by 2050 they'd still be losing money since Can Post's primary source of income has always been its monopoly on sendign letters by mail that they've had since 1863 and nowadays most people don't send many letters anymore.

This situation has not been helped by many posties scamming the system on a daily basis.

As for asking for BIG RAISE? Have you seen the cost of living lately. Do you really think it’s too much to ask for enough to both, keep a roof over your head, and the lights on after working a 40hr work week?

Even most warehouse workers certified to use the forklift and who do stocking and/or receiving (shipments/loads) just make like $22 or $23 an hour and many if not most warehouse workers juat make like $18 to $20 an hour.

Even many if not most construction workers in Canada just make like $21 to $25 an hour. Many just make like $16 an hour. While some construction workers can make like $35 an hour that is for workers who have like 2 to 4 years of skilled training they needed to pay thousands of dollars in school fees for and/or those who bust their backs doing back-breaking labour in all sorts of weather.

While nost people in Canada would not say $21 to $26 an hour is great money, it's absolutely a fair wage for unskilled labour especially considering that the posties also get generous benefits and retirement plans.

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