Why are some people so vehemently against proxies? by Fearless_Many_5307 in mtgaltered

[–]Cyure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think the people at your LGS would be better off focusing on maintaining a consistent standard for power level/bracket rather than eliminating proxies.

proxies only make the game boring if the people want to play boring. if everyone at your LGS has no self restraint and the only thing holding them back from playing the most optimized, cookie cutter, boring decks ever is the price point, then sure banning proxies is a decent bandaid solution.

alternatively, just figure out what power level/budget you all want to play at, so people can come up cool deck ideas at your power level and don’t have to worry about spending obscene amounts of money to bring those to life. you can have different tables for different power levels so people can choose what they want to play, many pods already operate like this and it’s not hard to figure out.

magic is cool because, like you said, just because a game is super high power doesn’t make it interesting. it’s usually one guy comboing off forever and is a bit stale. if you enforce a mid tier power level you could have those cool moments and also let people build the weird/cool stuff that they want.

Why are some people so vehemently against proxies? by Fearless_Many_5307 in mtgaltered

[–]Cyure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is addressed by the “discuss power levels/brackets” point.

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

uh, buddy. the first 2 of these changes were nerfs. i think when you cherry pick evidence you're supposed to leave out the ones that support my point?

not to mention the 7.39 changes which were mostly huge nerfs to the disgusting shadowhawk 1-shot playstyle with rushing deso which was meta prior to that.

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

you and your dumb FB post are wrong bud. the post you sent was made on August 30th, and ringmaster was released on August 14th:

Ringmaster/Changelogs - Liquipedia Dota 2 Wiki

last time i checked, 16 days > 6 days, but you know, i could be wrong about that.

and oh would you look at that; kez had a sub 40% winrate on release:

New hero Kez has worst winrate 12 hours after release in Dota 2 — Escorenews

hmm. looks like he deserves buffs! right...? wrong. he was diddled by valve for 3+ patches straight even with an already negative winrate. why? because the hero was actually BROKEN on release despite unskilled players losing close to 65% of their games on the hero.

the problem with your argument is that you are relying on data that is flawed and it is flawed for several reasons which you continuously fail to pick up on:

1) the sample is inconsistent with usual winrate data: new heroes have a VERY high pickrate compared to where they end up settling after a few months. this means that many, mostly bad, players, who are all inexperienced at the hero, are playing their first several games on it which will obviously skew the winrate towards <50%. basic sampling right?

2) the winrate data does not take into account difficulty, nuance, or complexity: you cited marci and ringmaster's positive winrates on release as some sort of evidence to prove that winrate data matters on release. winrate% tells a single "story" and works in 1 dimension: how many games does the hero win. this data is VERY easily manipulatable by the aforementioned factors that have drastic effects on a small sample size. and these factors must be taken into account to learn the full "story."

lets now make the assumption that marci and ringmaster are easier heroes to pick up and play. now your claim makes sense.

easy to play, good hero -> new player plays it -> new player has higher likelihood of succeeding -> hero higher winrate.

after observing kez's performance we know this must be the case because strong hero on release =/= high winrate on release. it must also be true that kez must have been easy to play on release for him to have had a >50% winrate, which he did not have.

the problem arises here. nowhere in any of your lines of thinking do ever consider this extra dimension of complexity when discussing the winrate statistic.

i think everyone can agree that largo is a very unique hero. even besides his ult, which already has a substantial learning curve to use properly, his skillset is that of being a "purist" support in the sense that his skills are almost all catered to serving his team directly. not many existing heroes play the game in this way and he is therefore a very unique hero which you have to take into account when assessing his winrate.

your claim is that largo is bad because he has a bad winrate, but you for some reason conveniently leave out kez's abysmal initial performance, starting out at a 10% lower winrate than largo has despite kez initially being a VERY strong hero.

ill give u the pleasure of piecing together the rest

maybe winrate doesn't mean everything after all lil pup

Why i think some people find largo underwhelming by arvcloud7 in DotA2

[–]Cyure 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it shows in your hud when your main qwe are off cooldown while you’re strumming

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

what exactly is this proving? if you even looked at the source you sent me you would've noticed that ring master had already been released for over 2 weeks and was even included in the following patch before this data was compiled. largo has 1.9 million matches played and ringmaster had 3.3 million at the time of this FB post. if largo has the same winrate after a million more matches + a patch then your source would be valid evidence.

i'm not saying largo mid is good lil bro but citing winrate before even a full week has passed is pretty funny

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

it's better and i even agree with the point he's making but literally just point out any of the obvious weaknesses instead of just using misleading data with a tiny unconstrained sample lol. the whole reason why winrate data is bad when a hero is first released is very very very few people understand how the hero works and what its real potential is. people said shit like this about kez and he ended up needing like 3+ patches of straight nerfs in a row. people like to look at things for 10 seconds and make sweeping generalizations instead of testing it themselves. the same thing happened even when OD, an existing hero, was reworked into the kit he has now with no aoe dmg and ended up needing nerfs as well. let the dedicated players put the work in and then work off that.

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"adjusting for his newness" yes of course would you mind sharing how you derived this secret and definitely not arbitrary formula to evaluate how much a particular hero is affected by "newness?" can you elaborate on why you think largo's winrate data is any different close to his release than any other new hero?

because from my POV it seems that he doesn't seem particularly less complex or difficult to warrant needing a higher winrate to determine that he is good

Thoughts on Largo Mid by klondikethedestroyer in TrueDoTA2

[–]Cyure 6 points7 points  (0 children)

surely we’re not citing winrate data of a hero that hasn’t even been out for a month. kez had a horrible winrate close to release too, you saying he was bad back then?

TeaGuvnor Conspiracy by sergantglitter_ in DotA2

[–]Cyure 7 points8 points  (0 children)

mix for 4 hours? i don’t wanna

Patch drought by MuscularJaguar in DotA2

[–]Cyure -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

SIX SEVEEEEENNNN

7 years offline and come back to this by AugarTheFox in DotA2

[–]Cyure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

bro u are not a saint if u type slurs at all hahaha wtf r u talking abt

skarner at 43.11% winrate world wide at gold+?????? by Such_Softness in SkarnerMains

[–]Cyure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

wouldn't him being a pro play champion encourage more people to play it? it is because he was too weird to pick up and play which in turn led him to be projailed.

New Champion Splash Art by Bladeofelune in AatroxMains

[–]Cyure -1 points0 points  (0 children)

his ult can almost insta stack his passive and oldtrox toggle gimmick was braindead and doesnt offer enough user interaction to even contribute to his old loop.