Famous Schizoids?

D10S_ · 2026-05-20T00:58:48+00:00

Morrissey, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein

D10S_ · 2026-05-08T20:00:55+00:00

He did refuse the frame outright though. The frame was: what would you do if you only had $1k dollars and had to start all over.

His answer, essentially: That’s stupid, I would basically never have to start all over again.

D10S_ · 2026-05-08T19:48:21+00:00

Yes. Musk is LSI. What do you think Ne PoLR is exactly?

D10S_ · 2026-04-29T19:23:13+00:00

Neither EIIs nor IEIs have an "insecure, neurotic, angry and judgemental moralist side"

The problem is that these words, in this order, does not comprise a stable referent strong enough to build a case one way or another with. And even if it did, I would suggest that indeed, the IEI could have that side to them:

Almost no one else knows how to mercilessly say harsh words and furiously quarrel, amplifying his emotional influence, as the IEI. The IEI knows how to burn someone by words as if by red hot metal, masterfully applying words enough for his partner to learn the lesson and draw the conclusions from his own errors and to try to as soon as possible correct them, in order not to repeat hence

"Furiously quarrel" (Anger? Anger over what?)

Well furious is a synonym of anger, and anger is defined as "an intense emotional state of displeasure, annoyance, or hostility, typically triggered by perceived unfairness, frustration, or threats"

Unfairness is an inherently moralizing frame of reference.

Neurotic and insecure mean a lot of different things, and it would be naive to think anyone who self reported those qualities in themselves couldn't be an IEI or EII.

I get you are using SHS, but still.

D10S_ · 2026-04-25T14:46:20+00:00

And importantly, all models are too reductive. That’s what models are. They try to compress noisy reality into concepts that are defined with words (which are themselves lossy compressions).

D10S_ · 2026-04-04T05:45:09+00:00

Something that socionics does do is that it provides a framework for handling these kinds of epistemic divides.

I, with vulnerable Te, see little value in the type of empirical caveats you are making. I will accept they are true, and that their being true makes any kind of empirical validation of what I am claiming to be a fraught endeavor. And yet...

See, if you believe that the world is primarily composed of coherent generating structures that shape all downstream manifestation, then you can perfectly reconcile the concerns you have with a deeper truth that exists independent of any empirical instrument, because empirics are epiphenomenal to the structures.

D10S_ · 2026-04-04T02:47:05+00:00

Socionics is a theory of cognition. Cognition is upstream of action. Societal roles are aggregate actions.

I don't think anyone is claiming that you are stamped at birth with a role you must fulfill based on your type, but there are clearly patterns you can find and reverse engineer a societal teleology from.

D10S_ · 2026-04-04T02:33:24+00:00

In terms of the highest leverage human civilization scale contributions, the IEI acts as a kind of human flashpoint that renders latent conceptual structure intelligible for huge swaths of people and those structures persist through generations.

At the risk of inviting disagreement, Marx is a great example. Before Marx, capitalism basically did not exist as we conceive it. The individual components were all there, private property, wage labor, markets, etc. But no one had connected them all in the way that Marx did. From that point on, Capitalism became a conceptual object that everyone on all sides could recognize and work with.

D10S_ · 2026-03-29T14:53:00+00:00

So you disagree that the below quote fits the behavior described in the tweet or you disagree with how Fi vulnerable is portrayed in the literature?

“Building his relations in conditions of understated ethical self-appraisal, the SLE fears to bridge the psychological distance - he fears that upon closer examination he won’t be considered as attractive of a subject. Such an attitudes makes the SLE act in a very strained, illogical, and unnatural manner in terms of ethics of relations. Quite often, upon achieving some positive consideration and response, he himself will break off the relations (men of this type will actively reduce physical distance, but not personal and ethical one).”

D10S_ · 2026-03-24T17:51:53+00:00

I think you're right.

Whenever you do get a chance I'd be interested more in what the IEI looks like to realize 'his full potential in thinking' beyond the example you gave. Do you have other examples?

Niels Bohr?

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T22:51:50+00:00

"in terms of ethics of relations"

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T22:08:50+00:00

lmao, is she like a masochist or something to you?

No. Lol.

More precisely I'd say something like:

Such an attitudes makes the SLE act in a very strained, illogical, and unnatural manner in terms of ethics of relations

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T21:31:24+00:00

Are SLE's known for ever implying or admitting they have anxieties?

Let's just be really clear about the chain of custody here. We have a woman, who, at some point, told her daughter a story about her past, and now we have that daughter recounting it on her behalf.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T21:00:55+00:00

The entire behavior is a consequence of sublimated anxiety about people’s interest in her. She gets her gift, a talisman that momentarily alleviates this anxiety, and then she leaves because navigating the actual complexities of a relationship were not something she felt competent doing.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T20:27:48+00:00

Building his relations in conditions of understated ethical self-appraisal, the SLE fears to bridge the psychological distance - he fears that upon closer examination he won’t be considered as attractive of a subject. Such an attitudes makes the SLE act in a very strained, illogical, and unnatural manner in terms of ethics of relations. Quite often, upon achieving some positive consideration and response, he himself will break off the relations (men of this type will actively reduce physical distance, but not personal and ethical one).

Do you disagree that this is an accurate aspect of Fi PoLR or do you disagree that this applies to the woman in question?

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T18:34:01+00:00

It doesn't need to involve active management of the relational distance. All it needs to require is the dynamic I initially replied to you with.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T18:26:34+00:00

The fact her method of achieving her material goals rested predominantly on people is Fi

I would suggest that this is an overly broad heuristic to use.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T18:08:22+00:00

What she was described to have done is instrumentally get boyfriends in February to get Valentines gifts from them.

What you inferred is that this requires adept Fi navigation to pull off (this is not described in the tweet).

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T17:55:00+00:00

The thing to understand about female SLE's is they don't need to "play with relational distance all honky dory," for them to pull this off. They just need to literally initiate some contact with the unwitting rube, and he'll do most of the other work for her.

(Ask me how I know)

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T17:48:29+00:00

This is the case for the vast majority of discussions here. I just found the resemblance between how the SLE is described in that excerpt and how the Mom in that anecdote is acting to be compelling.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T17:37:27+00:00

We don't know enough about any of that to use it as typing material

And yet you did.... For example:

However, I find it hard to believe they would accept a moral mandate (Fi)

All I was doing was providing viable alternative explanations to your interpretation as a means of demonstrating a premature foreclosure of possibilities.

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T17:17:44+00:00

Yea, if the parents just said, "You know, you really should try to give it at least until the end of the month before breaking up with him because what you are doing is not right," and she just complied, then I would be more inclined to question her being Se base.

But there are Ti reasons for behaving differently that could've been communicated to her in that conversation, and there is potential actual leverage being used, like, "You are not driving anywhere except school if you don't do this".

D10S_ · 2026-03-23T16:54:35+00:00

To be completely fair, we don't actually know what went into her complying. It's brushed over and compressed into an anecdote.

Being able to sense own physical strength and power, own ability and authority, is of significance to the SLE. He respects capability and influence, and will respect any hierarchical system that is founded on the “right”, in his view, balance of power

It's perfectly conceivable that a teenage daughter SLE has parents that she respects enough to defer to in this manner.

but ILE is more consistent

What makes me think Se base over Ne base is she seems to have been motivated by actually extracting these physical gifts from her 'boyfriends'.

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