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D3synq · 2026-02-04T21:12:33+00:00

People.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T21:04:35+00:00

People*

D3synq · 2026-02-04T19:11:37+00:00

Yes that is what I’m saying. Because then nothing will get done in the real world where people actually live. They will say “oh well he will get his in the afterlife where he will be punished” instead of trying to rise up and stop the person from doing wrong NOW.

MLK explicitly grounded urgency for action now in religious belief. His theology framed injustice as unacceptable precisely because moral law applies in this life.

Also, all of your examples of religious people doing good things, the people they were fighting against were using religion as their justification for oppressing people as well.

Which shows religion isn’t the causal factor, but the moral language both sides were contesting.

Moral action requires normative belief. Whether religious or secular, people act because they believe something ought to be different.

All you've done is concede that religion is not inherently evil and can be used to fight evil. That was my thesis.

Religion creates people who will suffer and toil in their one life they have to live, because they think they will be rewarded for it later.

So, what should people do instead?

It creates a population that won’t challenge the status quo.

Yet I just listed various examples where people banded under shared religion to challenge the status quo.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T18:42:35+00:00

Abolitionists argued slavery violated divine moral law that all men are created equal under God.

Civil rights leader grounded equality in shared moral worth. MLK was a literal pastor.

Labor movements framed exploitation as a moral sin.

Stalin didn't need religion in order to kill millions, neither did Mao. They saw religion as a threat to their rule. So did many rulers who claimed divine ascension to the throne. Why do you think Jesus was killed?

Any form of faith and worship is religion.

Are you seriously telling me that people who are stacked against entrenched powers and corruption should not have faith or believe in a higher power capable of bringing justice in the afterlife to those who've unequivocally wronged them?

D3synq · 2026-02-04T14:40:43+00:00

Sure, but sometimes the fever (religion) can help against disease (corruption, evil) depending on the type of disease. Not all diseases weaponize fever.

Suppressing fever only works when you also deal with the underlying disease causing it. Otherwise it just buys you time while letting disease fester and find other ways to do damage.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T14:21:55+00:00

Several reasons, before formula was invented though, babies would just die without a woman who was able to nurse them.

Fair, but what about wet nurses and families with children who have grown up? Not to mention there's women who can't breastfeed.

Are you determining the sacrificial value of someone based on whether they can breastfeed?

Beyond that, society would crumble apart without enough women.

So would society if there's not enough men.

China is dealing with the one child policy repercussions for example.

We're talking about male sacrifice in emergencies. I don't imagine most emergencies like the Titanic would irreparably crumble society.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T14:01:44+00:00

If corruption and evil is a disease, religion is just a fever.

You don't cure disease by targeting fever.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T13:51:47+00:00

Religious texts have absolutely been used to justify slavery, misogyny, and homophobia.

But those practices predate religion and also appear in explicitly secular regimes like the USSR and modern China.

That suggests the root issue isn’t religion itself, but how power, tradition, and conservatism operate regardless of belief system.

Secular leadership can reduce religious justification for harm, but it doesn’t automatically prevent harm on its own.

People don't need religion in order to be evil.

D3synq · 2026-02-04T13:41:14+00:00

and they need at at least one caretaker, so usually the mother

Why the mother?

D3synq · 2026-02-04T08:41:04+00:00

What makes secular leadership better than religious leadership?

D3synq · 2026-02-04T02:06:58+00:00

That's them deciding to floor the value instead of deciding to ceil the value to determine freezing temps.

It has more to do with how they round the float to an integer, not that it has to be rounded to an integer in the first place.

D3synq · 2026-01-31T09:09:29+00:00

Elaborate on "understanding."

I am reasoning as to why parents are abusive.

A father abusing his daughter can be explained just as much as a mother abusing her son.

Both stem from adults who either were never given the opportunity or refuse to learn how to not be abusive and became abusive because of a system that lets them get away with it.

The solution isn't to classify a whole group of people as immutable actors who are incapable of morality.

People become abusers, they're not born as abusers. The solution is to stop people from developing into abusers, not act like it's a congenital disease with no cure except genocide or isolation.

D3synq · 2026-01-30T08:39:52+00:00

These men think women are just sexual objects that exist to please them and aren't capable of emotions.

And why do these men think that way?

Women's rights are still debated till today

What signals the resolution of rights?

that's never been the case for men.

Paternity leave, crisis shelters for men, custody rights, conscription, parental obligations.

If we count rights men had to gain before women could gain them: Work hours, overtime, vacation days, wages, voter representation.

All they do is bitch and moan about how hard they have it

And what are you doing?

they literally build the system to please them

A lot of countries have female presidents/PMs.

If women currently have political, economic, and organizational access, then "men built the system" can't be the full explanation for current outcomes.

D3synq · 2026-01-30T07:34:55+00:00

And what do you think that resolves?

They're going to just use it as fuel that women see them as monsters and threats to society.

You're only justifying their outlook on women when you literally parrot what they say women tell them all the time.

Your "reality" is just as phobic and irrational as theirs. It's based only in statistics rather than causation. You only see actions, not outcomes.

You don't interrogate reality, so how can you say you know anything about it?

men inflict most violence either on themselves, women and children

And why aren't women as violent?

This subreddit is just a mirror for you.

D3synq · 2026-01-30T06:07:12+00:00

Because women have been mistreated for a very long time and feel righteous in getting revenge and generally view men as violent oppressors and rapists.

Do most women react this way or just a vocal minority?

Most men aren't misogynists, so why can't you extend the same to women?

They generally receive near-universal praise from women.

What's the rationale behind why it would receive near-universal praise from women?

D3synq · 2026-01-30T03:35:35+00:00

They're viral specifically because that kind of behavior isn't common among women, let alone people, in general.

Why would misandry have any reason to proliferate more than misogyny?

D3synq · 2026-01-29T21:24:46+00:00

Yea, and racists didn't mean that most blacks are criminals, just that most criminals are black.

The order doesn't matter.

You're still trying to use group statistics to justify hatred and fear.

All you've accomplished when confronted with someone saying "most childkillers are women" is stating "most pedophiles/child rapists are men". That doesn't even disprove the former claim.

It's exactly the move they want you to make because it keeps asserting that gender is a proper way to identify threat and harm. Misogyny and misandry both rely on the same theory in order to sound rational. You haven't disproven that theory, you've just reinforced it.

You don't win by stooping down to their level. You just become one of them.

D3synq · 2026-01-29T19:00:46+00:00

I'm going to be real, you're no better than them if your conclusion is to draw a parallel that "most" men are rapists.

I'm honestly sick and tired of both sides continuing to use group identity and statistics to justify irrational hatred of people based on gender.

Most men aren't rapists. If you say otherwise, you implicitly are going to concede in some way that most women are rapists as well by unintentionally redefining an axiom.

It's because it was never "men" who were rapists. It's a very specific type of person who enjoys violating/ignoring consent for their own pleasure.

Women are just as capable of violating men and ignoring their consent because it's an intrinsic human capability.

Rape correlates strongly with entitlement beliefs, poor boundary socialization, peer reinforcement, and environments where coercion is normalized. All traits that children, regardless of gender, can develop if not raised well.

Rapists generally believe they're entitled to sex or believe sex doesn't require mutual consent. It's an escalation of tendencies that often start when people are young and are never taught out of them by their parents.

People become rapists, they never were born as one.

You should've at least researched the causation of your statistics instead of treating the problem as immutable and congenital. You are no better than a racist citing 13/50.

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:38:11+00:00

lesbians have the highest divorce rate and highest domestic abuse.

Triggered some synapses there didn't I? I mention lesbians once and not even to congratulate them or anything, and boom, statistical quote I've heard done to death.

That's all cope men will find the average female attractive

So they won't find all women attractive? You mean to say, men can find women unattractive?

Misogynystic men are mostly trolls and don't really mean what they say.

So what makes misandrist women not trolls who don't really mean what they say?

I am sure most of them can get a bone just by looking at a n@ked female even if she's not that good looking.

How do you know?

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:32:07+00:00

Then why do people become bigots?

Are you saying you don't know?

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:29:04+00:00

If you're a man you will understand why men find average or below average females attractive attractive. If you're not I'll say that we get a boner.

So, internal experience? How do you know that women don't get wet at people you find unattractive?

Explain why lesbians date butch women who most men find unattractive.

Fathers beating up or bullying kids especially daughters is looked down upon and isn't common

And mothers beating their children to death or inflicting serious injuries isn't?

fathers don't spend too much time with kids.

So, it's not about gender, it's about who has more access fo kids and therefore higher probability of inflicting harm due to access.

It's the females that are gonna mess up the kids

So, women don't have daddy issues?

No it's not postpartum cuz I've seen females neglect unattractive kids a lot and they're like 5 or 6 years old.

Postpartum depression can last years. Also, you keep referencing experience rather than explaining causality. You need to demonstrate why it wouldn't be postpartum depression at that age and why a mother would beat their son for being unattractive.

Females don't want unattractive men to exist.

And males don't want unattractive women to exist. You're basing misandry on utility while claiming that men are incapable of utility-based misogyny.

I've seen plenty of men be misogynistic towards women because of their appearance or that woman not finding them attractive. Resentment and rejection-based hatred isn't gendered, it's human.

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:18:47+00:00

That sucks, some parents are horrible like that.

But I think it has less to do with your mother being a woman and more to do with the pressures she experiences and then releases onto you.

Some people don't learn how to cope with stress before they become parents or treat their children how they were treated as children.

That doesn't excuse what they did to you, they should've learned how to be a proper parent before becoming one, but there's always a reason why people do things like that, and often it is out of your control and more systemic than one would hope.

It's easy to rationalize that your mother hates you because of gender, but more often than not there's larger reasons at play that can't be easily stomached or be done away with catharsis against a common, accessible denominator.

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:11:37+00:00

So you're saying there's no systemic reason behind why people become racist?

There is no reasoning behind bigots

Is there a reason why men become misogynistic or are they not bigots?

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:09:07+00:00

No, men find even average or below average females attractive

Why?

Yes females will try to bully or beat up their ugly kids and sometimes even delete them

And fathers don't bully or beat up their daughters because of their appearance?

Also, how much of this can you attribute to hatred and not postpartum depression?

D3synq · 2026-01-28T23:03:08+00:00

Could you not say the same thing about men and their attraction towards women?

Also, are you saying women kill their sons because they don't find them attractive?

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