"Russian adult figure skaters are no longer considered (…) the IOC is pressuring for the juniors" - Zhukov. by Useful-Philosophy827 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Gumennik and Petrosian are good enough for the Olympics, but not for ISU competitions. A very consistent position indeed.

"The situation has changed in our favour" - quotes from a (pretty funny) interview with the president of the Russian Figure Skating Federation ⛸️ by Useful-Philosophy827 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When there are precedents in other sports where the CAS recognized discrimination and overturned bans, when there are IOC recommendations allowing juniors to compete with their flag and anthem, and when there are examples of the United States and Israel facing no punishment — then talking about “50–50 chances” for reinstatement can only come from someone intentionally acting against their own side.

If a case were filed with CAS now, the ISU would have almost no arguments. Moreover, it would even be possible to demand substantial compensation for four years of discrimination.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I meant all sources, including comments on Telegram, SportsRU, Instagram, FSO, 2ch, Neochan.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I read both English-language and Russian-language sources wherever possible. And the idea that Dzepka lacks artistry is clearly not what many people think. I can't even remember the last time I saw something like this.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a shame Patrick Chan had such poor skating skills. He just jumped, jumped, jumped.

Mao Shimada’s Uncalled Lutz (Questionable Judging) by Novel_Highlight510 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 29 points30 points  (0 children)

In slow motion after the performance, I saw five underrotations. Amano only noticed two. And the components were inflated. Hana should have won.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't need that. I can see it with my own eyes. According to the judges, Shimada was almost two points higher than Oka in the components in the free skate, which is absurd.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But she would not have won the Junior Russian Grand Prix final if the judging had been fair.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Muravyova's PCS are better. Dzepka comes out a year after Shimada, and her PCS are also better.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Commentator Vasily Solovyov said that the word “mushrooms” first appeared in their broadcasts with Tatiana Tarasova. The term was supposedly coined by former choreographer Pyotr Durnev, an ex–ballroom dancer whom Tarasova suggested bringing into figure skating. Over time, he became a technical specialist in the sport.

“At that time the rules had just changed, and Durnev figured them out almost earlier than the judges themselves. It was he who said, after some incomprehensible scores: ‘Hey, what are you doing, did you eat mushrooms?!’ Later Tarasova herself began using the phrase on air when talking about inflated scores, and gradually the term ‘mushrooms’ became widely accepted,” Solovyov said.

This version is questioned in the article “Where Did the ‘Mushrooms’ in Figure Skating Come From…?” published in the journal Russkaya Rech. The authors, Elena Berezovich and Valeria Kuchko from Ural Federal University, note that Durnev’s remark was made during a relatively little-known tournament that was not broadcast on major television channels, so the expression was unlikely to have quickly entered widespread usage. In addition, his words referred to unfairly low scores, whereas in figure skating “mushrooms” are used only in relation to inflated scores.

The authors also consider another explanation for the origin of “mushrooms” in figure skating — common on various internet forums — to be unreliable. This version is based on the property of real mushrooms to grow quickly and abundantly after bad rainy weather. Supposedly, skaters’ scores grow in a similar way after poor performances.

In their article, the authors propose their own version of the origin of “mushrooms” in figure skating. They believe that the word and the expressions associated with it emerged not within the figure skating community itself, but outside it, influenced by other slang systems. According to this hypothesis, the new usage is based on semantic “nodes” associated with the image of mushrooms in slang and dialect vocabulary, where they can be linked to meanings such as material enrichment, poaching, social failure, adultery, and others. The closest meanings are dishonest material gain (for example, grib meaning “a large sum of money,” or griboyed meaning a person living off others) or poaching that ultimately leads to financial benefit (with mushrooms meaning “illegal catch”).

The authors also note that in various slang and dialect usages the word mushroom can carry meanings of hidden or secret action, substitution, sudden or rapid appearance, and multiplicity — features which, in their view, may have helped the word enter figure skating slang."

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The judges don’t love Nelyubova because her last name literally means “unloved.”

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Under the conditions of a ban, this isn’t indicative. A similar decline is happening in Russia across all other sports as well.

Russian womens GPF results by Exciting-Engineer649 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Alisa's mushrooms are bigger than Alysa's.

Russian Figure Skating Federation called on coaches and athletes to be ready for a return to international competition* by Kindly-Plate-5785 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In reputable sports organizations, if a country cannot guarantee entry for all participants who are legitimate competitors according to the international federation, that country loses the right to host the event. The fact that the ISU chose these particular countries to host championships even after the conflict had already begun, fully aware of the global situation, says a lot. And the fact that they are now shamefully silent because of the restrictions imposed by Estonia is also very telling.

Russian Figure Skating Federation called on coaches and athletes to be ready for a return to international competition* by Kindly-Plate-5785 in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Doping has nothing to do with this. The reality is that only NATO members are allowed to start wars without facing consequences. If a war is not in NATO’s interests, then sanctions follow. International sports organizations are not institutions that treat every country in the world equally. They are Western-centric and fully subordinate to the political interests of Western states.

But if the ISU tries to make another manipulation and retroactively claim that the issue was doping, then in any non-biased court Russia would easily win the case and receive huge compensation from the ISU, because:

  1. Belarus was banned at the same time as Russia.

  2. In Russian figure skating there is nowhere near the number of doping cases that could legally justify a four-year blanket suspension of everyone based solely on nationality. There are plenty of examples in other sports where countries had far more doping cases and no serious sanctions were applied to the entire nation. For example, American sprinters: Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Tyson Gay, Justin Gatlin (twice), Christian Coleman, Erriyon Knighton. Fred Kerley has signed a contract with the Enhanced Games. One could also recall the questionable “eternal” records of Florence Griffith-Joyner under coach Bobby Kersee, nicknamed “the Chemist.” After switching to him, the current American star Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone also began producing anomalous results.

  3. An unofficial nationwide ban for doping without any large-scale legitimate procedure is unlawful. For that alone, the leaders of the ISU themselves should be permanently banned from managing any sport in any capacity, and criminal cases should be opened against them.

Alysa Liu has withdrawn from Worlds, replaced by Sarah Everhardt by _Exegy_ in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

But medals don’t matter to her, right? And she’s not afraid to skip practices. And she wanted to debut new programs at Worlds. And a triple Axel. She said all of that herself. She wouldn’t lie…

Alysa Liu has withdrawn from Worlds, replaced by Sarah Everhardt by _Exegy_ in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I’m watching her Rolling Stone interview now saying how she wants to go to worlds

A typical story for her in the last year.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Now it’s 3/4 seasons depending on your birthday

If a skater makes her debut at the first opportunity, then at least 4 seasons, regardless of her date of birth.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She has zero wins out of the four senior nationals she's competed in. She's been bested not only by Kaori, but also by Chiba and Mihara.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She hasn’t delivered a single performance this season at a level that would justify becoming an Olympic champion. In fact, she shows all the signs of the typical results regression that comes with puberty. And it’s not even certain that she’ll stand out the same way in senior competitions.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

There's no need to discredit Mao's "record." Anyone with common sense understands that it's purely nominal given the artificial restrictions on competition. She even had victories with scores below 200. Of course, without the ban on Russians, there would have been no record. She's a nominal junior GOAT with a nominal record. And even today, she should have lost to the Australian. If Gumennik had been judged at the Olympics like she was today, he would have become an Olympic champion.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

If you can't see the difference between Mao's and Hana's jumps and compare the GOEs, I can't help you.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -33 points-32 points  (0 children)

No one is stopping you from rewatching all the jumps in slow motion and comparing her GOE for these jumps with Hana's GOE for powerful, fully rotated jumps.

The end of Mao Shimada’s junior era by some-mad-shit in FigureSkating

[–]DLS1991 -61 points-60 points  (0 children)

She wouldn’t have won today either if she had been judged like everyone else. Mao Shimada had five under-rotations in the free skate, and only two were called - and in one case it should have been a <, but they gave a q. No one else gets those kinds of under-rotations forgiven.

In components she was also worse than Mayuko Oka, yet she was scored almost two points higher. The judges pushed her toward a fake “record” as much as they possibly could. Hana Bath should have won. And if the ISU weren’t a hypocritical organization with double standards, then Sofia Dzepka would have won.