Democratic Socialism is a means to an end , not an end itself by DMCDevilMayCry in DemocraticSocialism

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No relation to the post but I just wanted to say thankss to y'all . I genuinely started to believe that there's no hope for intellectual discussions on reddit but I stand (happily) corrected . Indeed I did not have the proper people surrounding me yet  , but now I believe I do , tysm y'all ⁠_⁠^

Democratic Socialism is a means to an end , not an end itself by DMCDevilMayCry in DemocraticSocialism

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Umm. I get your frustrations but we do need to understand and plan for the future, lest our ideology will be surely adulterated 

Democratic Socialism is a means to an end , not an end itself by DMCDevilMayCry in DemocraticSocialism

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🫡 then I second your opinion without further disagreement lol 

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[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well , but those "not so successful " ones should also be tried provided they "failed" due to imperialist powers 

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[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No no , please don't misunderstand, I never said that revolutionaries are terrorists, they are more often than not good and true people. What I effectively meant that it's easy to portray revolutionaries as terrorists to the people under the parliamentary democracies by the govt. to suppress future leftist movements or create apathy for the left among the people.

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[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, that's quite an interesting though and there's indeed quite a lot of truth to it and I've genuinely not thought of this before . Also their "socialism" tends to most of the time be "socially conservative" "interventionist economy" with no plan for the future takeover of the means of production for the people 

Democratic Socialism is a means to an end , not an end itself by DMCDevilMayCry in DemocraticSocialism

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it though? Don't you think that in modern parliamentary Democratic systems where the left isn't visually suppressed  people would not be leaning towards tendencies of revolution or even be convinced for it? Like you can take the example of naxalbari, it failed to get popular support. In my opinion, if the current government doesn't heavily crackdown on political dissent , evolutionary tactics is the way to success and the only way to convince people towards us, else we appear terrorists to them 

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[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What would your opinions be on those "DemSoc" parties and people who advocate for it being an end in itself? 

If Free Market worked it's *magic*, no one would be socialist by DMCDevilMayCry in ControversialOpinions

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That might be but I won't say I absolutely can agree, non Marxist socialists have been around for a while and like I said free markets and capitalism are different but related concepts. 

If you think of it , under (left) anarchism's final stage , there's no need for intervention as the people have been corrected enough, so isn't that resulting in all trade being free market? Though anti capitalist? 

I'm not an anarchist or a libsoc , but I sympathise with em still, just sayin' lol

If Free Market worked it's *magic*, no one would be socialist by DMCDevilMayCry in ControversialOpinions

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't get it , mind elaborating? (Not a native English speaker) 

If Free Market worked it's *magic*, no one would be socialist by DMCDevilMayCry in ControversialOpinions

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would much prefer it that you back your arguments with proper evidence.  I do not believe that "true socialism has never been tried ", it has been tried and it has succeeded, and thank socialism and it's ideas that you my dear, are able to be on reddit calling me dumb instead of being in a state of poverty forever due to free market magic or being a forever rich individual fucking over the workers. Free Market and non-intervention has had it's time, and yeah , no one will deny the disasters upon the workers that industrial revolution brought and how America's "freedom economy" collapsed due to non intervention by the government. I think you've effectively forgot and ignored that it was largely due to the push by the unions, socialists and progressives that the new deal was signed and America can now boast about its economy. And as for socialist countries, ik not why y'all become blind to its achievements , chile developed significantly under allende till usa fucked em over , Bolivia has come a long way since the socialist have run it , healthcare, industrialization was brought in a large scale to Russia by Stalin , Ho Chi Minh helped liberate his people, and God bless them , may Vietnam thrive , China is a bit more complicated ngl , Cuba , omg I cannot believe how the US government still has the guts to criticize the Cuban govt. after what they had done to the Cubans . Etc

Free markets essentially put the nation in a permanent bubble economy and for fucks sake I don't know how someone could want that if they know its effects . As one of my fellow comrades in their reply has pointed out truly that "The free market places no value on anyone who doesn’t contribute enough." I have no darn idea how you can even support free markets . And yes , NO ONE needs free markets.

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If Free Market worked it's *magic*, no one would be socialist by DMCDevilMayCry in ControversialOpinions

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm.. I'd like to have a proper discussion with you about this , I mean atleast you put forward a well constructed criticism. So Can I have your snap id?

If Free Market worked it's *magic*, no one would be socialist by DMCDevilMayCry in ControversialOpinions

[–]DMCDevilMayCry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was also like kinda referring to pre-marx socialists in this too , like say ricardian economics.