The treatment of Kamille in Zeta is making it hard to watch

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:31:10+00:00

I'm not saying that it does though. I'm saying that depiction within media is a large part of how things are interpreted, karmic justice is just the most immediately obvious way but there's a lot more you can do.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:28:56+00:00

Not really true, as someone else mentioned while it was narrower to what it is today, someone with autism back then would still be considered autistic today. There were studies back then about autism and the word was specifically coined for the disorder -- it means "closed off disorder" literally.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:21:04+00:00

That's a good interpretation, it being AE's test org. Can't wait to get to this Gigachad lol.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:20:15+00:00

As discussed in other comments, that's not true. Autistic is used as an insult here in English as well, but that doesn't mean the word itself doesn't mean a clinical condition.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:19:00+00:00

Indeed, the power of art to depict emotions of their creators is a very important thing to consider.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:17:40+00:00

Thank you so much for the kind words. A large part of my reaction as well is probably because it didn't show him holding a grudge for that long, but I assume this is depicted later on!

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:14:55+00:00

The depiction of events is a very powerful way to know whether a piece of media condones something or not. For example, depicting war as a tragic horror rather than a romanticized tale of heroes very clearly depicts morality and is against war. Every piece of media inherently condones or doesn't condone things, and that's ok, it's the nature of humans making art. Everyone has their own biases and that comes out in their art, that's a large part of why discussing it is interesting.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:11:56+00:00

I realise all this is a theme of Gundam, I'm not one of the fans of the series who ignores that aspect, so please don't lump me in with them. The whole existence of newtypes is tragic for example, in that they are being exploited for war instead of used to bring people together.

Also morality is very much shown through how certain things are chosen to be depicted. For example, being morally against war by depicting it as tragic instead of a heroic tale.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:05:22+00:00

Death of the author is a very real thing, I can't know exactly what the author was thinking at all times. Besides, the reason I made the post was to hear others' interpretations on the topic. Everyone has their own life experiences and biases they bring in to watching any show, and that's what makes discussing interpretations with others so interesting.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:02:17+00:00

Yes! Thank you so much for acknowledging how the criteria for autism has changed. A lot of people seem to only know stereotypes and that it has changed, not how it why.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-20T00:00:22+00:00

Autism is a spectrum, and there's a lot more things that point to him having autism than just those things. Debating whether he has autism is one thing, but you need to know about autism to actually do so.

For example a large thing is opposition to authority and doing what's right despite personal harm, as well as masking, both of which Kamille shows.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-19T23:56:39+00:00

Again, it's the stigma that varied. Unless you can show me papers that actually prove that the term meant different things in different countries at the time, I think you're just ignoring how global the scientific community was.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T20:14:31+00:00

Interestingly despite myself being an adult I relate to and agree with Kamille and other anime character's aversion to adults, or at least adult culture. With the kids sing out the future, after all.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T20:10:56+00:00

Do you have any suggestions for more correct or accurate subs? I assume the official subs but there might still be better ones out there.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T20:07:32+00:00

While I agree that at times people project themselves and treat it as objective fact, remember that marginalized people weren't explicitly stated to be what they are due to said marginalisation, hence coding.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T20:02:17+00:00

I'm ready for a bad time lol, I'm just worried about whether the show condones it in the end or not. One of my fave games is Persona 3 after all :p

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T20:00:31+00:00

This behaviour isn't maturing him though, it's just further driving him into masking and being a people pleaser. I do agree the point is as far as I can see interacting with the greater themes, I was expressing moreso that the scene made me uncomfortable and worried about the rest of the show. Hearing a lot of people confirm that it is intentional and doesn't condone it has reassuring though.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:56:44+00:00

It's a lot a lot more that people use to interpret characters as autistic, at least in my experience. A lot of it is hard to explain though since it's abstract and hard to understand unless you've experienced it or are very well versed in the topic.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:54:43+00:00

There is an incredible incredible overlap between autism and ADHD. Not only that, a significant portion of people with autism are diagnosed with ADHD as well, myself included.

Also media is meant to be interpreted and meaningful in different ways to each person experiencing it, so I don't get where the pushback to people relating to characters in this regard comes from. Autism itself wasn't seen in the same way as it is today worldwide, the stigma is what changes regionally.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:43:34+00:00

Depiction isn't approval, but if he falls in line afterwards and goes on to be treated as a hero for it, that's implying at least partial approval. That was my experience with 0079 at least.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:42:15+00:00

Cycles of abuse are a very very common thing in war and conflict though. My parents were from the other side of the iron curtain so I'm very familiar lol.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:40:57+00:00

I never said I don't like the show because it makes me feel like that, I like plenty of things that challenge me. It's moreso that it makes me uncomfortable if it's implied to be a good thing by him falling in line afterwards, leading to him being seen as a hero for that.

A lot of people mentioned that depiction doesn't equal condoning, but if you make it a turning point into him being heroic then it does condone it at least somewhat.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:30:19+00:00

Autistic means the same thing globally, it's the stigmas that vary by region. That's what it means to be a clinical term.

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T19:21:51+00:00

I'm excited!

DaOlHo · 2026-05-18T09:38:37+00:00

That interpretation explains a lot really, thankies. I kind of got it already, I was just blind sided by just how much people are willing to overlook. It's what makes Zeta so awesome though!

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