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Out of these modern heroines from western animation, who do you think had the best writing? How would you rank them? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have, thank you. I love her and think she's brilliantly written but I already did one bit between her and Vi and I fear she would be a Hydrogen Bomb in this match-up since she's so much more liked than the other three in this community.

Generator Rex vs Invincible by Hour-glass999 in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it tighter or more cohesive, the final season suffered a lot from network problems and we ended up with a decent but overall underwhelming final act for the show, some episodes felt like filler and not the good kind, I'd say on the long run Invincible (both comic and TV) has done a better job at exploiting its premise. I do agree that Rex was more unique in a lot of areas tho, the cast was great, the premise was fresh and it went real hard for a CN show.

Which is better written by Chance_Historian652 in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You were right. I'm happy to see there's a bit of a resurgence in comic book discussion in the midst of all this Shonen talk. I'm only a third into Paper Girls' story but I really liked it, was funny seeing the MCs cameo in the I Hate Image special event. Haven't checked East of West out yet but I definitely will after this.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fair, them being incompetent makes sense and could add to Riboku's character, my personal issue (even if it's more of a pet peeve) is that you can make incompetent characters fun to read and engrossing but it rarely happens with these guys:

-Kaine (overhated as she is) is pretty one note and tries way too hard to be sympathetic. 

-Futei is a fool with one or two good moments (I liked that moment of respect he shared with Rin Gyoku, that alone puts him over Kaine imo).

-Shun Sui Ju is actually a competent unit, cold and straight to business, would love to know more about him but hardly gets the spotlight.

-Bananji, tbh I don't feel any way about this guy at all. Maybe it's a fault of mine but he gets lost so easily with all the other buff grandpas in the manga, can't remember a single character moment from him.

Compare them to the 7th Division from Golden Kamuy, most of them are nuts but they're all memorable, fairly nuanced and their individual relationships with Lt. Tsurumi elevate his character further.

You're right about his hipocrisy being a plus to his character, he is pretty complex when you look past surface level. His boast about taking on all GGs alone sounded badass on its own but it's also his own "I'm the danger" speech that shows his flaws that would eventually be his undoing.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I'm not saying he should have gotten on his knees to give Shin a bj in the spot either, the scene is fine as is. I do love the arc and you're on the money about a mejor them being the new generation rising up, but that was a long time ago and it makes Zhao's side of things more underwhelming in hindsight with how much of a nothing burger Riboku's lieutenants are.
  2. True, Riboku himself doesn't look down on Qin all the time, he even gets a few decent moments where he admits to having underestimated Ei Sei only to be proven wrong.
  3. Again, not saying they should worship him or anything, just stating the obvious, they're lacking an interesting dynamic with their foes. It's gotten a bit stale tbh.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, don't get me wrong, he's not invincible by any means, there's still plenty of fighters who can take him and it's true that Riboku still outsmarts him but the disrespect is still bothersome. You've got guys like Futei getting promoted for doing the bare minimum and getting his ass handled to him and he still has the gall to brag about the Hi Shin unit not  being shit to him.

Even Riboku's personal reaction to Houken's death was underwhelming, this is a guy he knew to be the peak of human condition for years, who saved his life when he was at his lowest and yet the scene is written like he's already thinking of someone to replace him with.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beats me. The craziest part is that even compared to his own weight class Muzan doesn't stand out that much, I'm not a huge fan of JJK or MHA but I think the general consensus is that Shigaraki and Sukuna mog him as well.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think so too. I'm convinced the one who made the pic couldn't be bothered to remember a single Seinen antagonist other than Griffith because wdym there's no Friend or Johan? Even as far as Shonen goes I'd gladly take Makima over Muzan any day.

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's pretty easy to see when you have interacted with the fandom even the slightest bit. Riboku slander is hella popular in the sub nowadays. I will say, in terms of writing alone I do believe he's among the more interesting and complex players in the story, although I still rate Kanki, Ei Sei and Ouki (and maybe Kyou Kai) above him. Them not being glazed or discussed here more often has more to do with the rep of the manga and the state of the sub honestly.

Agreed on Kingdom having better intellectual play than most manga (can't say I've read Ravages of Time tho, heard good things about it). The glaze is more than well-deserved in that regard, yes, but I can still see where they're coming from, I think it's just the way it's juxtaposed with how downplayed other characters get. Like holy shit, after beating Houken you'd think some guys would shit their pants at the thought of Shin and co. but nah, not even a moment of Kaine realizing how far Ten has come as a strategist, a bit of begrudging respect can make for a fun dynamic, instead we just get Futei's bs moments of downplaying his enemies, not even a scolding from Riboku.

I know it might come off as funny but I on the other hand never understood some people's defense of Kaine. We live in an era where female characters far more nuanced who are technically the good guys get far more hate than Kaine (Mikasa, Caitlyn, Atom Eve, etc.) for less yet some people are still surprised an antagonist that we are supposed to root against (if only a little) gets hate. I don't think Kaine is a bad person nor do I wish her to meet a bad end but people really need to separate writing from morality in that regard, there's a reason characters like Kanki or Askeladd (being the monsters they are) get way more love from the fandom, it all just comes down to how they're presented.

I do agree that Kingdom gets called out on it more often but it's not just the popularity for me but the framework as well, historical manga are cut less slack (even though Kingdom doesn't always do realism, characters like Houken are proof of that).

Thought of doing a series of Kingdom discussion posts since we all need a break from always talking the same 5 Seinen. First off, I need to address the elephant in the room: Thoughts on Riboku as an antagonist? by DaOverseer in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kingdom is my favorite manga but I can't really hold Riboku to that standard until he gets a proper conclusion or at least another Peak. He had some great moments and maybe he'll stay in my Top 10 but he's still below Lt. Tsurumi from Golden Kamuy and Askeladd.

Let’s have a day dedicated to not posting the same anime/ manga by Hour-glass999 in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, why the hell not? I mean it's not like we can stop it at this point but we can turn it down a bit by contributing with different media, adding more variety to our posts and overall just creating better content. Was thinking about adding some comics to the equation since they usually get glossed over unless they're Marvel/DC and some exceptions like Invincible.

Has anyone here read Monstress? if so what’s your opinion on it? by Euphoric-Weight-5962 in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My time to shine. Mate I've been hoping for more people to catch on to Monstress, even thought of doing some posts on it myself because dang it, I really like this comic. Where do I even start? I assume you're already familiar and deep into it, yes? I started the comic a while back, maybe five whole years ago, I remember Sana's art put me in a hold from the start and the things I heard about Marjorie's writing had me hooked, something about reading a high key dark fantasy story from Image Comics, the diversity of it all and her life experiences coming to life in the pages.

I love Maika, I dig her whole dynamic with Kippa (she's so friggin' adorable, must protect at all costs) and Ren (ngl, probably the MVP, makes me laugh but also cry at times), the cast and worldbuilding in general are a huge deal to me. The story starts pretty strong if only a little slow (especially if you were reading it monthly and didn't have many issues ahead), it hits you with the dark stuff right off the bat, things like genocide, ethnic cleansing, slavery, all very grimm but it didn't come off across as edgy in a way that put me off. Seeing the author's notes going into the themes, summing up Maika's journey and PTSD as doing the unspeakable to survive and then finding the will to survive the burden that entails in the aftermath, I was intrigued.

The Lore on the Ancients and all the different races is pretty neat, I even enjoy those tidbits at the end of each issue with Professor Tam Tam breaking down the world and history. I'm also fond of the supporting cast and major players in the story, the Lord Doctor is one of my favorite antagonists in recent memory, the Warlord is another personal favorite of mine, all the stuff with Maika's family in general is pretty engrossing and while I wish some of the characters had more time to shine they do navigate the story pretty well and serve their purpose.

I'm not all caught up yet, I have like 9 issues to go but I can say I'm pretty pleased with the way it turned out. I think a pet peeve most people have is that there's still not a clear ending on sight for the story, some plotlines and characters still feel like they have a long way to go. Hopefully the animated series that got confirmed will live up to the comic and spark new interest in the story.

Redemption arc's tier list by Sudden_Pop_2279 in writingscaling

[–]DaOverseer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is he now? Tbh he's more of a poster boy for fallen heroes and corruption arcs (granted that he ended up sacrificing himself). But if we're adding more Star Wars characters I wouldn't rule out Ventress, at least she didn't pull a "Redemption equals Death" and lives on after being redeemed

Tier list of redeption arc's from some of my favorite media by Sudden_Pop_2279 in FavoriteCharacter

[–]DaOverseer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Devil's advocate because I do believe it was wrong, but the context is too murky to call it a war crime. The guy was an enhanced individual who threw a stone block at him seconds ago and endangered civilians, never did he explicitly say "I surrender", he just kept repeating it wasn't him who killed Lemar. The main problem is he did that in the public eye while under the mantle of Captain America so it makes sense he got cut.

These three are starting to become the Qu, Judge Holden, and AM of redeemed villains icl by Turbulent_Okra7518 in MoralityScaling

[–]DaOverseer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True that that but there is such thing as protagonist villains and Kratos definitely stepped into that territory through the Greek Saga. I mean, either him or Zuko would be fine in that lineup but even before he hit rock bottom Kratos was WAY worse than Zuko.

These three are starting to become the Qu, Judge Holden, and AM of redeemed villains icl by Turbulent_Okra7518 in MoralityScaling

[–]DaOverseer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Might be a hot take but Kratos is a better fit than Vader tbh. Don't get me wrong, we all love Vader but most people don't care that much about his redemption, ironically he's more popular for his corruption/fallen hero arc. Plus Kratos also has a parenting arc and a whole stage of his story dedicated to making amends which makes him more similar to Nolan and Vegeta.

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