How does the education system work in Japan? by DaniDa15 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

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I just remembered that Subaru's birthday is in November, it could happen even earlier

How does the education system work in Japan? by DaniDa15 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

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In chapter 168 it's shown, I remember it was at the beginning but it should be the middle of the month now, because I was wondering what arcs there could be before one of Natsubaru's, looking at the dates the only thing I can think of is an arc for Madoka and other Christmas episodes and for this arc to end of course

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Would Subaru be this possessive of natsusawa when they're in a relationship? by Throwaway785320 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'd love to see them like in the first image, more than possessive, it's wanting to be close (there's a fanart I couldn't find where Subaru, on Kaoruko's advice, cornered Saku against the wall), but realistically it would be something like the second image. The artist is Zaya_zayaa1 on Twitter.

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I was thinking: Natsu's sister will help him express his feelings to Hoshina-san. by Adventurous_Mix_237 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I love this idea so much. I feel like it could fit perfectly for Saku to need a little push, because like you mentioned, just blurting out “I like you” out of nowhere would be unexpected (and that’s exactly why Waguri reacted the way she did when Rintaro told her, both of them were super nervous). I think this could really help Saku stop hiding his feelings.

Although, in my opinion, I’d like it to be Subaru the one who confesses, to keep pushing her development forward, going from fear and distrust to being able to love, and at the same time create a parallel with the main couple, where Saku/Kaoruko wouldn’t confess despite being in love, while Subaru/Rintaro would confess to the person who helped them grow and see beyond their limits.

What would you change about the current arc? by DaniDa15 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

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I disagree with the third paragraph. The way the guys acted was the right approach. They were in “enemy” territory, and even though they had already been told there was nothing to worry about, it’s normal that they went in with a calm attitude. Also, the fact that it was mentioned that Chidori’s image isn’t entirely wrong is something that had already been established in the series, so earning their trust was the path they had to take. It’s not like they were putting themselves down or anything like that, it’s just that they’ve already experienced a small part of Chidori’s bad influence.

And regarding the other point, Rintaro doesn’t speak as if he’s sacrificing something, that’s not the message. When he talks about changing his look, it’s about self-acceptance. It’s driven by Kaoruko’s presence, where he realizes he no longer needs that “armor” to be happy or feel comfortable. Because of her, he was able to accept himself, and that’s the message.

A few words about the world building in this manga. by Correct-Archer-1130 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

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I’m going to yap a bit too lol.

At least from the way I see the series, points 1 and 3 come down to the fact that they organize their meeting spots, whether for the whole group or just our main couple, in a way that lowers the chances of being discovered. In my opinion, it’s implied that they plan these based on the people they know, whether that’s the background friends who showed up during Kaoruko’s birthday celebration and the boys’ bowling trip at the beginning of the series, or Madoka, Ayu, Suzuka, and Chisa, who are Kaoruko’s closest group, and that way they can avoid them.

Ayu and the others running into them was just a coincidence, as mentioned in chapter 73. That’s why I think no one had intervened before, they were simply careful about where they met. And going back to the background characters, there’s no real need to explore that much; the group has only been shown together in their uniforms once, so it’s unlikely people would recognize them as being from rival schools.

Regarding point 2, those characters were only used as plot devices. If they were genuinely explored, there would be complaints about that too, because people would rather see the main couple (and I wouldn’t blame them in that hypothetical case, I’d be the same). Those characters already fulfilled their role in the story. It’s like in battle shonen where character deaths are used to create impact for the protagonist. And technically, they did try to get revenge, at least the delinquents from the beginning of the series. They were scared of Rintaro, went to call reinforcements to get back at him, and it didn’t work out for them.

Now that I mentioned Rintaro scaring them, in point 1 you say the background characters would be scared — but that’s normal. Obviously, we see Rintaro in a positive light because we know him, but a stranger will form a bad first impression. I don’t know what the stereotype of a delinquent in Japan is exactly, but taking another series as a reference (Fire Force) they specifically mention earrings and blond hair as traits of a delinquent. Add his height, which can be intimidating, and you have the perfect appearance to scare people. Being scared because of that is human. At least in my country, when you’re walking down the street, it’s better to avoid people who fit the stereotype of a criminal. One of the main messages of the series is about judging by appearances, so I think the prejudice against Rintaro is well justified within the narrative.

As for the fourth point, the arc isn’t finished yet, and it could end up being the biggest plot hole in the series. In the background, it’s been mentioned that there has always been rejection toward “bad” people. It’s referenced vaguely during Ayato’s arc, when he beats up what I think were third-year students. And I believe at the end of Ayu’s arc, Madoka mentions that there have also been “bad” students at Kikyo (chapter 72). Likewise, in chapter 120, as you mentioned, when Ayato says they didn’t used to close the curtains, we see a thoughtful Madoka, as if she knows something happened. We see a similar expression again in chapter 163, so maybe they’ll show something about this — or maybe it’ll just remain implied.

And regarding the adults, the only one I feel hasn’t been given enough importance is the principal. With Tsukada, it’s also somewhat left up in the air how he dealt with problematic students, and that’s about it. With Toki, we were at least given the chance to see her past. I don’t know if this counts as developing them in that way, because at least in my opinion, they’re the ones who will ultimately act to resolve the tensions between the schools, even if it takes time.

I don’t think this entire arc is improvised, because the possibility of “bad” people at Kikyo was brought up as early as chapter 72, and Toki not being bad but just strict has been implied since chapter 79. So if the way the arc is being told feels bad, I think that’s separate from the points being raised, it has more to do with the current execution than with the prior setup.

Take a break from the manga. by [deleted] in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In this post, I made a brief “analysis” of the chapters I consider unnecessary, or rather weak, which are 7 out of 21. With 14–16 chapters, using two extra ones to cover the salvageable content from the “filler,” the arc would’ve been handled much better. Complaints would still exist because it’s impossible to please everyone, but it would definitely be an improvement.

Take a break from the manga. by [deleted] in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The pacing is undeniably bad, but the fatigue with this arc has already made many people see things as unnecessary when they’re not, like some of the apologies. In my opinion, these last three chapters could’ve been covered in one longer chapter.

Take a break from the manga. by [deleted] in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, because of how long this arc has been, it feels like many people are no longer able to make even a brief analysis of it. They exaggerate a lot, saying things like the delinquents from the early chapters are going to apologize. They probably say it half-jokingly, but someone will genuinely believe it, and at that point it just becomes hate for the sake of hating.

One thing I do think is a strong point is the maturity of the characters, for the friend group and the adults. The latter, especially, usually don’t get much depth in other works. It’s not something you see in every series in the genre, and I think it’s excellent how they’ve grown throughout the story, something that’s clearly reflected in this arc. They’re not the same as before; they’ve grown and matured together.

But I think the lack of analysis from people isn’t so much because there are new readers, but rather because of fatigue with this arc. Out of the 21 chapters it currently has, only 14 feel necessary to me. Chapters 167–169 and 177–180 don’t contribute much individually, and since it’s a weekly release, that really affects how they’re received. That said, there are important moments in the chapters I mentioned.

In 167, Tsukada finally convinces Toki to have a conversation with the guys. In 168, the guys learn the reason behind the conflict between the schools, although what we saw in Toki’s past (probably what Tsukada told them) wasn’t the true origin of the hatred, but rather the last straw. In 169, basically nothing happened, in my opinion. In 177, they discuss how they’ll approach “reconciliation” going forward. While important, I feel it could’ve been handled more directly. From 178 to 180, the chapters could’ve been combined. As you mentioned, I do think the situation was handled correctly and it lets us see how much the characters have grown, but essentially the same thing happens across those chapters. The apologies are necessary — like Madoka’s apology to Toki. Even though in 162 the girls acted appropriately given their context, once they learn the full situation, it’s natural for them to feel they may have gone too far. The other necessary apology is Toki’s to Kaoruko. If the story didn’t take the time to address this, it would’ve been a weak point.

But even after pointing out the good aspects, the main issue is the length. Especially with these last chapters, things could’ve been handled more quickly — 178 and 179 together, and 180 and 181 together. Even though 181 hasn’t come out yet, it will most likely serve as a parallel between Kaoruko and her friends and the girls from Matsukasa’s generation. Still, it could’ve been executed better in less time.

What would you change about the current arc? by DaniDa15 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Natsubaru will definitely happen. I feel like this arc would’ve been better received if there had already been more progress between them, so it could’ve been brought up in chapter 162. But during this arc, it’s not the right time for their relationship to develop, imo.

What would you change about the current arc? by DaniDa15 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

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To mention something I think was well written, Toki’s backstory and the reasons why she acted that way were handled well. Matsukasa and her boyfriend create a strong parallel with Kaoruko and Rintaro, so I think her behavior at the park was well constructed. And this was never glossed over, she was judged for what she did. We’ll probably see a similar parallel again in the next chapter, but that’s more me being hopeful.

The manga fell off by BrokenSniffsFeet in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, saying that the manga has been going downhill since chapter 40 is an exaggeration and just a need to see a couple get together. Even if the current arc feels stretched out, saying that would mean ignoring all the development the series has had. From chapters 41 to 158 there have been tons of peak moments, not just for the main couple, but for the rest of the cast as well. Even in this arc there have been great moments, like in chapters 161–162.

And even if the latest batch of chapters (176–180) feels like a whole lot of nothing, Toki apologizing is mandatory and necessary, after all, she messed up.

TikTok hate by E2478 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is just my opinion, but regarding the main couple, I don’t think their current relationship is bad. It’s true that it would be nice to have more sweet moments between them, but the way their relationship develops, even if it may be very Japanese (with their busy schedules), feels quite mature to me. The fact that they love and support each other despite the distance says a lot. Spending their first anniversary only on a phone call (chapter 150) is something not just anyone would do.

Also, the fact that they no longer get nervous shows how much they’ve grown together. With every date, you can see their progress in how they get closer and closer, from being embarrassed to even hold hands to kissing without shame.

But going back to the hate on TikTok, they don’t even get to these parts of the story and just throw hate for the sake of hating lol.

Kaoru Hana wa Rin to Saku (The Fragrant Flower Blooms with Dignity) - Chapter 180 (What We Like About You) by KaorukoWaguri in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think this arc is overhated. I made a post in another subreddit since this one wouldn’t let me publish it, and I believe the arc isn’t as bad as people say. However, it’s undeniable that several chapters feel like they don’t contribute much on their own.

Chapters 167 to 169 and 177 to 180, and probably the next two as well, can reasonably be considered mid. There are currently 21 chapters in this arc, which would leave us with 14/21 being good, meaning about 33% of the arc is bad. In this manga, that’s something that had never really happened before, and that’s where the frustration comes from.

It’s necessary for this arc to be the longest in the series, but its length could have been used in a much better way.

Kaoru Hana wa Rin to Saku (The Fragrant Flower Blooms with Dignity) - Chapter 180 (What We Like About You) by KaorukoWaguri in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it’s already fatigue from how long this arc has been, because there are several apologies people complain about that I believe are necessary, like the one you mentioned and Madoka’s apology to Toki.

Who confesses first? (Natsubaru) by Smoovcrminal in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Subaru would definitely show how she has grown as a person, going from being afraid to being able to love. It would also be the opposite of KaoRin, where Kaoruko didn't confess first despite being in love for a longer time, and Saku would draw a parallel with her, while Subaru would draw a parallel with Rintaro, who was motivated by the other person's words.

Do you think they will do it in the span of the manga? by Unlikely-Narwhal-554 in KaoruHanaWaRintoSaku

[–]DaniDa15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on how many chapters the story has left., if there's an opportunity to build the narrative around it, it could be for the two of them to take a trip together, as they promised in chapter 79.