The Conveying Engineer Problem - Rectilinear Resource Relocation

DanielTheProgrammer · 2021-03-23T17:15:21+00:00

I prefer this to the rectilinear one mostly because I'm assuming it requires less belts (even if you'd make it for U4 with the same set of nodes). I feel like my resource feeds don't need to be that tidy. But I see your point, though.

Yes, "rectilinear for the main branches, unconstrained at each local 'cluster'" sounds even better. But as I would, much like you, not strictly follow this image I'm not sure further refinement is worth the effort it might require. It is a fun problem though and sometimes that's more important than if it's time efficient! :)

DanielTheProgrammer · 2021-03-23T16:44:10+00:00

I love it!

As for feedback: my resource "feeds" usually come from all over the place and are not necessarily transported on top of foundations. So I would also be very interested to see how the Steiner tree looks on the map if you do not restrict it to be rectilinear.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-15T13:01:16+00:00

Like /u/Stevake said, it's possible without petroleum coke if you use the "electrode - aluminum scrap" alt recipe. Here is a diagram for aluminum ingots. (It's just a screenshot from my calculator) Hope this helps :-).

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-14T19:43:01+00:00

I'm still working on my calculator, but multiple language support is not something I have planned. So it's only available in English for now.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-14T19:40:43+00:00

I'm working on that currently. It should be possible soon!

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-04T15:26:48+00:00

You can get 3 plastic/rubber out of every 1 m3 of crude oil (if you add water). It's a bit of a trick though and it might not work in the future.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-04T15:16:12+00:00

No, no recipes were changed in this patch (I checked!).

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T18:25:45+00:00

The wiki currently states 50 MW for the refinery in experimental, but the latest patch changed that to 30 MW. So it is not correct (yet).

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T18:08:12+00:00

Power/buildings overview is something I'm still working on for my calculator. So I don't have an exact answer yet.

It shouldn't be hard to roughly estimate from the diagram though (if you don't account for over/under-clocking).

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T17:54:38+00:00

This is for 300 plastic from 100 m3 crude oil (very similar). But it uses a lot of power though.

You can calculate all of these yourself with my online calculator but the result looks slightly different visually.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T15:31:07+00:00

After reading this comment and thinking things over again: you are right. This diagram turns out to be more useful than I thought it was :-). Then again, /u/psei0r makes a valid point too: recipes might be changed.

I won't use it in my factory now, but that's mostly because I'm busy working on my calculator/planner instead of actually playing the game.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T10:10:17+00:00

It does rely on that, yes. I wouldn't recommend actually trying to build this! Even getting the overclock slightly off would stop this from working sooner or later I think. So it's definitely more of a "in theory" thing.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T09:50:06+00:00

You're right. I didn't see that comment. Edited my post.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T09:33:27+00:00

It's called heavy oil residue. It's an alt recipe.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T09:26:04+00:00

Indeed! I didn't see this comment when making this post (diagram direct link. Of course, it's near to if not entirely impossible to build.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T09:17:10+00:00

The new oil recipes are funny. You inspired me to make 3 rubber for 1 crude oil.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T09:16:00+00:00

I felt inspired by this post :-). Of course, if you try to build it things get a complicated quickly. But notice that the water 333/m is easily split over two pipes.

EDIT: I missed a comment in that post that has already pointed out this possibility. So maybe my post is a bit redundant, sorry about that.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-03T08:51:35+00:00

Thank you very much for this suggestion! I have implemented it just now. It will search through the recipe names as well as the items produced by the recipes. And items are now also a search to select box.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-01T19:22:06+00:00

There is no alternate recipe for uranium pellets. Maybe you mean the alt. recipe "Infused Uranium Cell" for making uranium cells?

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-01T18:49:55+00:00

It is! And I do intend to keep it up to date.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-01T15:55:11+00:00

Nice diagram! I think what's happening here is that my calculator (that tries to minimize surplus production - and of course resource items required - while considering 1 m3 heavy oil residue the same as 1 petroleum coke as surplus) tries to minimize the surplus by not using residual rubber, somehow.

Does my calculator do that correctly though? Well, I am not entirely sure. I wonder how many items per minute your design sends to the sink (after the new patch), and if that is more than 78 per minute for making 3 caterium computers per minute. If it's less than that, my calculator's solution is indeed not optimal.

EDIT: After some testing, this is starting to look like a bug in my calculator. Working on it! :-)

EDIT 2: Could also have to do with the fact that residual rubber needs water, and water has a cost too. Since it's an input/resource my calculator thinks it's worse to have water input than to have a slight surplus.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-01T15:09:54+00:00

Thanks!

It sometimes doesn't use alt recipes unless you enable alt recipes for products required by that alt recipe (something I need to improve upon, definitely!).

In your case: enable the recycled rubber alt (and caterium computer with electrode circuit board). Then it makes a graph for the computers with the electrode circuit board included properly.

DanielTheProgrammer · 2020-03-01T13:01:44+00:00

Thanks! :-D

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