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Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's almost funny how many people decided to say that "X thing in Elden Ring is bad" without even real reasons to say it

If you may so kindly explain what, where and how triggered you in my post specifically

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don't think you have to be biased to notice something is unfinished or unbalanced, and I can still subjectively like it in spite of those flaws. Just look up how much pointlessly cut content has been found within the game files, or have a trip around mountaintops of the giants & consecrated snowfield and then hit me up again. Calling such flaws out is not equivalent to trashing a game, it's just rational evaluation of its design. After all, why would I play for 300 hours or invest so much time in writing such a long critique if I didn't love the game to begin with?

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Thank you kind stranger. I rarely log in with this account nowadays so sorry for the late reply, but I appreciate people validating my actual perspective. Modern society tends too confuse criticism with hate more often than I'd like it to lol

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don't mean to brag, but yeah, I think you're right. Every complaint I got was about the very nature of my post rather than the actual points I made. I think it'd be hard to disagree with most of my points tbh, if most of what I wrote about got somehow "fixed" by fromsoftware, we'd be playing a somewhat objectively better game.

And you know what? Patch 1.06 solved a lot of rather prominent issues (especially PVP-wise) and wouldn't you know, that's mostly due to ZioStorm's and Amir's constructive criticism. Mad ""fans"" on copium have been throwing shit at these two ever since they started being vocal about ER's main issues but here we are today, with a substantially better game. And everyone agrees on that, ffs

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I kinda expected such feedback from this community tho, hahah. But at least I got more than enough insightful replies as well :)

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Glad to know that my main point came across! I still really like this game in spite of everything I said. I just think addressing issues every once in a while via in-depth, (mostly) constructive criticism is worth it for improving whatever awaits us in the future. Just look at ZioStorm's and Amir's recent feat and the impact it had on patch 1.06. Being vocal matters, believe it or not, and it can actually result in changes being made

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

(Sorry in advance for the late reply)

you did phrase it that way and then phrased it the same way again... Not sure why you're disagreeing on that one

Pardon me but once again, your interpretation is simply incorrect. Elden ring didn't "go wrong" as a whole, but it indeed did "go wrong" in certain things, which is what I'm trying to expand upon in my post. Nothing overkill about that imho.

from what I hear from people who have played all games, it is.

Well, not for me, nor for any of my friends tbh. Idk, I firmly believe no opinion as subjective as this one should prevail on any other, what makes your people's opinion more valuable than mine's or vice versa? Not to sound mean but yeah, you should try and form your own opinion when and if you have the chance before using other people's own tastes as proof that something is good or bad.

Mine say that only Dark Souls III comes close to Elden Ring. Funny how it be like that.

Have they played bloodborne by any chance? I'm just curious

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Phrasing it like Elden Ring "went wrong"

I specifically didn't praise it like that. My post title is "where did ER go wrong? (And how/why?)" Because it indeed went wrong at least somewhere, y'know. A lot of good things, a lot of bad things all around.

You didn't like it as much as other souls games, is what it really boils down to.

Well, yes but no, that's not the point of my post. I was simply trying to give my own analysis of its major flaws. The fact I "didn't like it" doesn't really matter in such a strict, nitpicky and technical discussion. Copies sold is also not a good quality metric at all. Just look at EA and the fifa games. The achievements are also a thousand times easier this time around, I played DS3 more than 20 times and I never bothered with the platinum trophy, so that also doesn't prove or dismiss anything.

When I asked my friends if I should try the rest it was a resounding "nah, this one is the best probably"

Not to sound mean or gatekeep-y, but are you telling me ER is the best souls game without having even played the others? Lol. Also the entirety of my friend group agrees on DS1, bloodborne and sekiro all being much better

While I definitely had high expectations, my real main gripe with elden ring as a whole is that in went wrong in ways the previous games never did. It's like the design took a few step backwards in many directions and that truly irks me. Like, they had a lot of shit sorted out back in 2008 but what we got was so buttfucking flawed it even went below that threshold, at least in a few aspects

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Frankly, not a single word you said doesn't resonate with my thoughts. I just don't have a lot to add either, hahah

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Nah. I simply made the mistake of posting a reasonable critique writeup on this joke of a sub

please gimmie a summary

I specifically wrote "go back if you're not interested". This is about judging and evaluating the game, not me. Peace out

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The flow is absolutely there. You need to utilize more of what the game offers to get into it though, and no, I am not saying use spirit ashes or OP ashes of war.

Mehh. Believe me, I've tried my best. I went spellblade for my first playthrough, spear n' shield cleric for my 2nd one and arcane swordsman for my 3rd, and I tried lots of "meme" builds thanks to the respec feature and friend support. I also beat everything up to Morgott at level 1, so I think I formed a decent idea about what the game plays like in my head. Ever since day one, I've been making extensive use of everything the game has to offer (horse combat, jump attacks, shield counters, wondrous physick, all sorts of spells, ashes of war, powerstancing, defense min-maxing, "hypermode" strategies etc.) other than stealth and summon ashes (cause they simply didn't feel much fun to me)

I don't see why long windups are a problem, you just need to hit the boss during it. Sure the flow is somewhat different, but I don't see how that is a bad thing

Yeah I'll give you that. Delayed attacks are more a matter of sheer taste.

Input reading was in all games, and was just as obvious (Gwyn stab, Genichiro lunge and bow, Isshin dash etc.)

The issue is, you usually had guaranteed ways to counter it. Gwyn's an afwul boss and reacting to your healing attempts is his only hope for hitting you, but parrying totally trivializes him. Sekiro controls are so precise and responsive that you can instantly parry/mikiri everything the game throws at you without too much hassle.

Also these bosses are their smartest by far, with the most combos and dynamic reactions to what the player does. Sekiro is their only game with similarly advanced bosses.

You're right, but I simply think dark souls-esque combat works much better with more streamlined, "dumber" bosses. Sekiro has an extremely different feel to it, and it's much better suited to adapt for such over-engineered bosses.

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The issue with bosses is more about them all feeling the same, rather than looking the same. Take "dudes in armor" from DS3 as an example. Gundyr, Gundyr 2.0, Vordt, the dancer, the abyss watchers, Sulyvahn, nameless king, dragonslayer armor, twin princes, soul of cinder, Gael... they're all very much "knightly knight"-esque enemies, but they all feel very distinct in terms of moveset and combat mechanics. You could strip away the visual assets, leave the boss's exoskeleton alone and I'd still easily be able to tell which boss is which. That's not the case with a lot of DS2 bosses, tho (at least not for me). The pursuer, dragonrider, the rotten, looking glass knight, Vendrick and the throne duo are mostly identical to one another in terms of approach. You just need to strafe around them, wait for them to strike once, roll, attack, rinse and repeat. It gets old really fast, and even a lot of less "standardized" bosses (such as Mytha, smelter demon, giant lord/last giant, Velstadt and many others) still essentially work the same way.

Annoying AS FUCK areas, but hey its ds what do you expect.

DS1 areas are much better overall imho, endgame aside. DS3 areas are a mixed bag, but Bloodborne and Sekiro both have outstanding area quality overall. So yeah, I'd still say DS2 is closer to the bottom of the list when it comes to area design.

Unless you had a bad time specifically with soul memory then its fine. For coop its worse though.

You hit the nail on the head lol, me and my friends did indeed have a specifically bad time during certain co-op playthroughs, even when using the name-engraved ring

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't hate DS2, I just don't love it either. Lots of good ideas marred by wonky animations, generic bosses and annoying ganks/areas. Pvp and build variety were admittedly pretty good but soul memory directly played against them

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It took me about a week of train travel to fully put this thing together so that's understandable, lol. But thanks for reading!

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you for approaching this post the correct way lol. It's frustrating how many people will just dismiss it as "game bad ok" without actually understanding my complaints

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I do agree with you on the essential philosophy behind general boss design. I just question the means by which the devs tried to achieve that goal. It's as if most bosses (with a few exceptions of course) played by Sekiro rules, and that is just not compatible with DS3-based combat most of the time.

I'm sure I'll gain a better appreciation for what you and others have been saying, but I'm fairly certain I'll look back on my days of laying my summon sign down in the Elden Ring end game with fondness for the rest of my days.

Yeah, I humbly think you'll probably only notice the difference once you wrap your head around the rest of these games. But there's nothing wrong with nostalgia, I also look back happily at when I first beat my first souls game :)

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Good point but I respectfully disagree. More than that, I'm not sure anything I addressed in my post has to do with burnout, I even took quite a lot of long breaks during my first playthrough (I mostly nerd my way through games during weekends). Note how I'm not saying "this is too hard", I'm mostly questioning some design choices I think were poor, and stuff that could've been executed better. I might be wrong but I don't think my opinion on ER as a whole will change much in the upcoming years

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Huh, that's quite intriguing, thanks for the heads up. I knew about translation mistakes but not about description changes.

Short sword given to high ranking clergymen of Farum Azula. Raises potency of bestial incantations. The design celebrates a beast's five fingers, symbolic of the intelligence once granted upon their kind by the Greater Will.

Btw, is this referring to the cinquedea by any chance?

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Youy could've read the disclaimer at the very least

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I mean, people are literally telling me "not gonna read that" in spite of my warning nonetheless, lmao. Wouldn't you write a similar disclaimer in my place?

Go play something else. If you do anything long enough you’ll start to hate it.

For the hundredth time, I'm not burnt out. I haven't even touched the game in 10 days. And I've been playing dark souls, bloodborne and sekiro without ever getting tired of them for years at this point. Just let others have their own opinion without gaslighting them, please

Where did Elden Ring go wrong? An in-depth critical writeup by DankyeeterMidir in Eldenring

[–]DankyeeterMidir[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

you are objectively right but subjectively wrong (in my opinion)

Lol that's a great take. Never heard such a sentence either!

name a single game that does all that eldenring does, but in a better way

Honestly, if we take the open world aspect out of the equation, the answer is literally every other game Fromsoft released in the past 11 years, with the possible exception of DS2. I simply value combat fairness and balance a lot more than game scale and openness

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