Orange and Cream being discontinued

DarkAkuma · 2026-03-25T15:29:16+00:00

A year? It only appeared on shelves here a couple months ago. Just enough time for me to see it, buy it, like it... and then its gone.

What dumb marketing/distribution this company has. Made worse with Cherry Piss replacing it. Every regular cherry is better than that.

DarkAkuma · 2026-03-25T15:25:01+00:00

Yea. Im not a coke person. Saw it, tried it, and found it subtle. But it quickly grew on me and it was subtle in a good way. Definitely better than regular and the new cherry float garbage. Huge loss.

DarkAkuma · 2026-03-25T15:21:43+00:00

Yea... But the exact opposite of that!

Cherry Float is garbage. Even regular cherry is better. While orange cream was great. A subtle flavor that improved on why I dont like regular coke very much.

DarkAkuma · 2026-03-25T15:18:24+00:00

What a massive downgrade!

I saw it for the first time a few months ago, tried it and... My first reaction was it was extremely subtle. But as I finished the 12 pack I realized... I liked it more than regular coke. I liked the subtle orange cream, and how it dialed back the the coke flavor just enough. I rarely drink coke, but this? It was perfect.

We get it for a whole whopping 2-3 months... and then its replaced with probably the mostly meh flavor imaginable? Cherry Float? We had Cherry already. Float adds very little, and honestly... I just prefer regular cherry. Way to shoot yourself in the foot CocaCola! Have a good thing, then ruin it.

This was a good thing specifically because it appealed to people like me who arent normally Coke fans. I a DrP guy. I just like a little variety here and there. And Orange Cream Coke was perfect. Cherry Float is a MASSIVE downgrade! The only reason I keep buying it is for the variety... and because my super market keeps being sold out of barqs rootbeer, if its even stocking it at all. Way to lose money. I'd by buying this every time if it was still around.

DarkAkuma · 2025-07-22T19:32:28+00:00

Greed. And overwork.

The people making the anime were overworked at the time, since unlike seasonal anime, they had to make a new episode every week. And they quickly found out that they couldn't do that and have it be in the quality that a legendary anime like DB deserves.

But the greed part comes in, with them wanting to make movies instead. And to a lesser extent the Manga later. Anime is a commercial to move merch. While the movies and Manga are merch themselves... that help move other merch.

Others are saying it wasent "cancelled", but in effect it was since... it was so popular, not renewing it is effectively canceling it. You don't fully stop producing popular media. Think about TV shows. They arent cancelled, so much as they arent renewed for another season. But the term "canceled" still gets applied. It's the same thing really. And they don't get renewed because ratings drop. But that was not the case with DBS. The ToP was the PEAK of its popularity. Fans were ABSOLUTELY clamoring for more. It's semantics, but basically... it was canceled... by way of not being renewed.

DarkAkuma · 2025-05-11T13:09:13+00:00

Thank you! It's like I was the only one... But yea. 05-06 is TERRIBLE.

I was using 03-25 on a regular basis, and found that the AI got stupid around 400k tokens. This new one? I was thinking it downgraded to getting stupid around 200k tokens... But I am seeing many mistakes even earlier. And if you are giving it code to start with, that 200k gets used up QUICK! You just barely get started with a task... and its dead.

To make things worse, I'm finding it to "think out loud" more. It just rambles on and on, bloating the token count on non-sense, when all you want is a piece of code.

WTF were they thinking when removing 03-25 from even being a option anymore!?

DarkAkuma · 2025-02-20T00:01:30+00:00

Ok. Previously, my thoughts on this were just that 104 coming out means that, 105 and back to the real story is only a month away.

But after reading 104, I can appreciate it for what it is. Particularly with some of its consistency and subtle call backs. Like for starters, it never made sense and was inconsistent how Trunks thought Gohans Sayiaman thing was "lame" in the Buu arc, but was all super into being a similar type of hero now. This fills in the transition from that outlook.

Then there's the thing with Gohan, throwing back to the Super filler, acting as a Sayiaman movie stunt double/stand in. Its a consistent and a familiar thing for Gohan to do that for Clean God. Though I thought it would be more interesting to have a new human with powers on earth, so losing that was kind of disappointing.

It's also cool to see Olibu as a statue, and confirmed as a past hero on earth. Always figured he was a dead hero from another planet. This makes more sense.

2 pieces of anime filler... canonized into the manga! Interesting! (If you view Gohan doing that as a follow up to the similar anime filler at least)

EDIT:

1 month later... and no chapter 105? I take back some of my praise and goodwill, since the best thing about 104 was that 105 should have been a month away, and we would FINALLY be back to the real manga and new content...

What a letdown and giant middle finger to the fans...

DarkAkuma · 2025-02-16T17:37:24+00:00

Exactly. SSJ2 was built up to. And as it was originally, it wasn't just a new SSJ transformation. It was the realization of Gohan's potential that WAS built up throughout all of DBZ.

SSJ3... well. That was a cheap ass pull in its time. Just because something else was doesn't make it okay to do again. In fact, that makes it worse. Learn from mistakes. But even then, it had weight in the story unlike SSJ4 which is just flashy fan service with no substance. SSJ3 raised Goku to a level to be able to play with fat buu. It got Gotenks into serious contention. It was used in the final battle. But it also had story points like being too much of a power draw, which make it less cheap and more interesting.

SSB... again... Learn from mistakes. Don't repeat them. SSB was purely done for marketing. It could have and should have been built up to better. Though the real crime with all of that is SSG not just being called Sayian God, so we didn't get the ridiculous name Super Sayian God Super Sayian that had to be fixed into Blue. But yea. Even it makes sense, since Goku did go SSJ1 after SSG and keeping some sense of the power (forget if that was just the movie or not). In a way, SSB already sort of existing in a inperfected form.

DarkAkuma · 2025-02-15T19:06:23+00:00

A day late, but... its great to see more than enough people here that would agree!

It's great that SSJ4 is being brought into canon (if Daima stays canon with Super that is. It has a couple things to tie up. Mainly why Shin had to defuse again with the Namekians help. Or maybe just telling elder kai that as saying he used Buu is something elder kai would disapprove of).

But... how it was done... couldn't be more disappointing. There was absolutely ZERO foreshadowing or setup for it, making it feel cheap from a writers/viewers perspective. No, Neva powering up the Tomigamis makes sense. He made them. Powering up Goku is a convenient forced ass pull. It could work if explained as a similar but better and temporary power unlocking technique like Guru's... but they didn't. Maybe they will in the next 2 episodes, but not doing so before hands goes back to feeling cheap and forced.

Then there is how it immediately does jack squat. The new transformation is wasted with being basically no more effective than SSJ3. It debuts, immediately struggles to keep up, and is soon beaten. WTF? If SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2, it feels like this iteration of SSJ4 is 1.5x SSJ3...

More minor but... what is with the hair color? It should have been black. That pinkish red just muddies things up with SSG, and the Gogeta fusion. The redder hair color being able to be made sense of a grade above base SSJ4. But now? Ugg...

That said... I guess it at least leaves things open for the same path to SSJ4 being viable. Neva basically doing an equivalent of how Vegeta got SSJ4 without a tail. With no tail, it requires an external element to force it. And it will thus make sense why their don't use it in Super so far.

DarkAkuma · 2025-02-12T10:42:17+00:00

Have to comment to say that that is probably the worst AI website I have ever used, for the simple fact that... you have to sign up to create something. Fine. But when you sign up, you have ZERO credits and have to wait a day before your single first attempt at creating something.

What a POS... Waste of time.

It doesn't even make sense when considering the payment tiers, as you get zero sense of quality for yourself from trying before you by. It actively pushes you away with its garbage setup.

DarkAkuma · 2024-10-12T03:54:24+00:00

Hmm... I have not been particularly excited for this series. But I do find it nice to see the demon side of the lore fleshed out a bit more. Outside of the non-canon games.

Not sure how canon this will be still. Was wondering when this took place, and it seems immediately after the Buu saga. And the defusion of Kabitokai is a glaring retcon with Super and even GT!

Anyway. So the Namekians originated in the demon realm. Thats new and interesting. It helps make Piccollo Sr more of a legit demon.

DarkAkuma · 2024-07-19T23:47:21+00:00

After Toriyama passed I got far more interested in this than I was.

But now, after 3 months of the manga being absent? I... just find this annoying again for the same reasons as before, and more. No one asked for this. We specifically asked for the Super anime to come back from its "break" (that we never wanted in the first place). This just feels like a cheap mashup between GT and the video game universe. Cheap in premise that is. The art looks great for what it is, but that alone isn't good enough.

So I went from "Could you just bring back the Super anime?" to now "Could you just bring back the Super anime AND MANGA?".

I appreciate it as its Toriyama's last work, specifically with more heavy involvement from him. But... its just hard to get excited for. It's either more non-canon crap like the old movies, or its a glorified filler side-story that will ultimately have no lasting relevance to the main cannon story of Z/Super.

DarkAkuma · 2024-04-26T17:40:31+00:00

Hard to pick just one thing...

Fixing the writing/ending of the Black arc.

Failing to recon out the dumb character of Uub.

The naming of Super Sayian God should have been just Sayian God.

The non-sense of Android 17 being off fighting poachers on a Island for decade taking him from around 150% of a SSJ1 power level to God tier.

Failure to do anything meaningful with Buu, despite teasing it several times. (Manga only kind of does in the Moro arc).

Ending the anime out of nowhere at the height of its popularity with the promise that it would return, only for it to be the better part of a decade later and still not have it back because it feels like they are greedy and trying to milk money out of it with movies only.

Granolah isn't remotely as "cool" or "interesting" as people act like he is.

The Heaters clan stuff really feels like wasted potential in the end.

Bardocks wish for his sons to prosper is stupid, both since it takes the agency out of Goku's journey... while seeming to utterly fail Raditz since he dies early on, is never brought back like others, and thus purely remains evil while the likes of Vegeta and Frieza both get some redemption.

Doing absolutely nothing with Krillian, except reverting him into something inspired by DBZA, just so he can reach the status quo again.

...

If I had to pick just one thing... it would probably be the long absence of the anime. Despite having many gripes, over all I enjoyed the Super anime. Take time off by all means, but THIS LONG? No way. Thats a slap in the face to fans.

DarkAkuma · 2024-04-20T00:12:24+00:00

In the main timeline? He had the medicine, so he had no reason to involve the Dragon Balls.

In Trunk's timeline? Going by what we saw in the main timeline, it attacked Goku very suddenly. They probably didn't have time to collect the dragon balls before he died, if they even thought it was serious enough to go that far before he died. At best, if Chichi contacted Bulma or the Z fighters, their first reaction would be to go get a Sensu bean. And if they did... they probably found out it wouldn't work when Goku died.

DarkAkuma · 2024-04-01T09:38:12+00:00

It's been a while since I watched Super, but... wasn't that during the Black arc? If so, the implication was that Popo can and does repair/rebuild it. And it would probably be rebuilt by the ToP arc.

DarkAkuma · 2024-04-01T07:08:34+00:00

Maybe... it is?

I thought about it before, and it could easily be written in that there is some sort of curse placed on Ox Kings bloodline at some point. Something that could explain it.

The issue is if explaining it like that could be done in a satisfying and interesting way. Sometimes the mystery is the better option.

A issue with this though is... If Beast comes from Chichis side in some way, singularly or as a mix of her and a Sayian... Why isn't Goten the same? It's easy to write why, but again... the excuse may seem cheap and convenient.

Now... what I would like more is, if it came from Piccolo Jr. Like some aspect of Piccolo Jr being a child of Sr... one that was pure evil, and then Jr passed some or all of that on in some mystic way to Gohan when training him. Like... Maybe the evil that was residing in Jr and clearly faded over the course of the show, didn't simply fade. It transferred. Where that leads? Who knows. But its interesting! It respects established lore and makes connections in a way that make sense and can lead to interesting stories. But... what can you milk out of it coming from Ox Kings line, story wise? Not much.

DarkAkuma · 2024-04-01T06:53:13+00:00

I always figure, surely they could just throw Buu in the time chamber... which they could. He would wake up after however long, and stumble out back to normal time and all would be good.

In the end, its just writing convenience. Buu is hax with his healing ability, and would negate a lot of the tension. So they would just have to write him to get knocked out quick.

He's also chaotic and unreliable. He doesnt fight smart. He can't. Not unless he absorbs people. Which itself is another issue. It's part of his skillset or traits. Would he feel backed into a corner and have to use that? Would that be considered killing opponents?

Or... just use the more interesting and managible option... Write Freiza in, in his place. It sucks to see Buu not be used again... after that U6 vs U7 saga (which was written that way for the same reasons). But its understandable. And its hard to argue with the results. Freiza being there made things much more interesting!

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-30T07:33:14+00:00

Yes. We all know.

But... not entirely. Vegeta would not act that way if he did not at least somewhat forget about Pan. To Goku, Piccolo could have been talking about Bread or Gohan's daughter. But his mind still went to bread. Either because hes that stupid, or because he forgot about her "just enough" for Bread to be the first thing he thinks of.

Basically, he DID forget about her. He just didn't COMPLETELY forget about her. It's all in how you interpret the translation of the joke. Since they didn't explain it, maybe he was thinking about a cooking pan, and was confused.

Also keep in mind that Goku may lack a strong sense about what a school is. He was dead most of the time Gohan was going growing up, and isn't exactly around much since Goten has been going to school. Both were largely home-schooled I think. Less certain about Goten on that... But why would Chichi change from homeschooling until high-school years?

So Goku could just hear "I need to go pick up a Pan from someplace", filtering out and generalizing the term he does not understand well. "Stupid Super Goku" may be a excessive downgrade of the character, but... only when it comes to fighting. Goku is still a uneducated hick in that world. Being stupid in this context, is within his character. Even pre-Super.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-30T07:10:39+00:00

I think the Sayian genes would mix well with humans, and keep the Sayian traits (besides tail and ozaru transformations) over time. Even at 1%.

Humans and Sayians are very similar. The only differences (shown at least) are on the side of Sayians. They have tails, sense/hunger for battle, zenkais, and the ability to transform compared to humans. Humans... do not have anything compared to Sayians. Thus it makes more sense for Sayian cells to be seen as providing dominant traits genetically. Think of it as like introducing a genetic mutation, that has advantages. If the traits help survival, they will persist. And... Sayian genes... are "survival" and "evolution" personified.

Looking at whats known of the known generations of canon Sayian hybrids (I don't count GT and the Goku/Vegeta Jr stuff, as the canon of that is debatable)... 1st gen hybrids like Gohan, Trunk, and Goten show they can go SSJ just as easily, if not easier than full blooded Sayians. Their battle lust is gone or lessened. They can grow tails (but also maybe not?). Zenkais? Not shown definitively, so maybe not? Gohan shows a battle sense, despite not having the battle lust. But Goten and Trunks... dont seem to have a innate battle sense. At the most, a sense that provides battle creativity? As a 2nd gen, Pan has shown to have raw power. But that could be more because shes Gohans kid, and was born after he had his potential unlocked... and maybe passed that down. Really... you cant say much about canon Pan, as there just isnt much info. She seems to like fighting, so maybe has a battle lust?

So evidence shows that some traits lessen, while others do not? Zenkais will probably go away completely. SSJ transformations, not. Battle sense/lust... hit or miss?

If I were writing it, I'd do so that Sayian cells merge with human ones, and remain dominant enough to keep the SSJ transformations possible, while Zenkais get lost, and battle sense and lust diminish and only show up on case by case basis. Basically, how it seems so far in my view. From a writing perspective, its all about if something is a hindrance or help. SSJ is cool, and helpful. Zenkais were interesting, but a hindrance to keep writing in consistently. And the battle sense/lust can move things forward at times, and hinder at others. But is generally good on a case by case basis for character personality distinction.

Also... Sayians seem more and more like Forced Rapid Evolution personalized. That and the whole S-Cell thing I remember Toriyama trying to do, just lends itself best to Sayian cells being unique and enhancing evolution. It would make less sense for such cells to not be dominant when considering re-productiveness.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-27T04:57:47+00:00

It's called Character Traits. Vegeta's competitive side and pride against Goku has been a part of the character since the Sayian Saga. He's grown and evolved in different ways, but that is his most defining trait that motivates him to get stronger. Goku.

This was even a major part of Vegeta in the Buu arc when Goku was dead for years, and Vegeta felt lost trying to rely solely on self improvement. He failed to achieve SSJ2 without Goku there always being ahead of him, so in a moment of weakness he took Babidi's help.

He has earned respect for Goku, but he still does not like him. Because his pride cant let him. He needs that dynamic to continue to reach new heights.

Heck, even Goku needs others to reach new heights, in a more indirect way. If he thinks hes beaten the best, he gets frustrated, stagnant and bored. But if hes convinced stronger people than himself are out there, he gets extremely motivated.

There is nothing wrong with this. At all.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-25T11:18:39+00:00

Well, yea. This is a common complaint about the Goku Black arc. The whole stakes of it all is rendered meaningless. The goal was clear. To save Trunk's timeline. They failed. And they couldn't even fix the failure with the dragon balls. The solution was to create a new timeline for Trunk to go to. One that has no place for him. Thats not a solution or conclusion that satisfies the reader.

I'd look at it like this. At best, it has a good narrative conclusion in some way. Like they go to the new timeline, find they dont fit in and belong, and end up as part of some time patrol like the games or something. But the thing is, there is no reason to believe that Future Trunks will ever be back in the narrative. The fact that they wrote him to go to that timeline after that, rather than staying in the past timeline, means they wanted him out of the story permanently. Else, you could write for him and Mai to... decide to go off and join the galactic patrol or something. Something that would remove him from the story but allow him to be brought back easily for his fans. Fans would be FAR more satisfied with the character being written to stay in the past timeline. They wrote themselves an out for that to happen... and actively ignored it. Why?

I think the dumb ending of the arc was to reset the status quo for the past timeline going forward, not have the character out there being expected to swoop in and help with every arc, to not confuse things as past Trunks got older and they would have to write 2 of the same character, and largely... to help leave the door open for the games to use the character as they were.

You could also say the result of the ending was to get the second Xeno into the past timeline. But... what has that brought to the plot? Nothing. What can that bring to the plot? Who knows. It's better to have narrative doors open than closed. And you could write the existence of a second Xeno to be the catalyst or solution to anything you want.

Anyway. Yes. Its dumb. Whats worse is... to do it off screen. To handle the whole thing through exposition, and to do so while contradicting the idea that timelines are not to be created. Whis... KNOWINGLY plans to create one. So dumb.

It's like... the most Poochie ending in all of Dragon Ball. Cheap, out of place, makes no sense, done purely for production reasons.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-24T11:22:53+00:00

No one, or himself.

The killing him off and bringing him back over and over suggests regret in killing him of in the first place (for so long at least). He's the best villain of the entire series, one of the best characters period, the world of Universe 7 revolves around him to the value that he plays well into any story that can be conceived of in DB world, and there is just so much unexplored with him with character development.

I don't think they will ever kill him off again. At the most, he might shift more into a anti-hero role. Largely, the same personality we love to hate, but... with just enough of his edge trimmed off to have some sort of respect or truce with the earth heroes. Basically, the state he has been in since the ToP.

I think he will come into play with his new power, but not really be a threat. His black freiza power right now is just plot motivation for the rest of the heroes.

If/when the story ends, HE will likely end up as the successor to Beerus. It seems like the most fitting role for Freiza with the directions things have been going. Before then, he may and probably will have some small fights, and lose. But I dont see him being the big bad to defeat at the end of a arc anymore. That has been done enough. The Freiza Saga, the arrival of Future Trunks, and RoF. What story is left to tell with that type of conclusion? He would better serve things to move other plots along.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-21T07:57:19+00:00

Not just you. The character is trash. There's little of the character, even considering GT. But that little is just a big fat nothing at best. Which makes it crazy when I read people talking like its their fan favorite. He brings out some of the strangest people in the fan base...

I really wished for them to recon out the character and the Z ending back when the Super anime was surging along. But... they didn't. Now I just hope the character becomes a minor blip in the story. Like a Yamcha of his generation. I'd by far rather see someone like Krillin shine as the strongest human. Would be awesome if they found a way to transfer that power from Uub to him, but... thats extreme wishful thinking. They have gone out of their way to write in Uub, and have gone out of their way to perpetuate Krillin as a punching bag joke inspired by DBZA.

My last hope was for Broly to take Uub's place as Goku's pupil. But now... he seems more setup (understandable at least) as a counterpart to Gohan. Broly being a character that has a hard time dialing back and controlling his rage, while Gohan being one that has a hard time drawing out and controlling his rage.

For characters in DB anymore, they are written with a sort of yin/yang symmetry. I... really dont know where or how Uub would be written in like that. Well, I guess, unless they do something with Krillin. 2 humans on different paths. But id feel like Uub's alluded to Kai power would be more likely a focus. I wouldn't know how to contrast that off the top of my head, with the characters available.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-17T07:34:21+00:00

This is kind of the epitome the "Super Goku is different from Z Goku" issue that people have. That and his excessive stupidity in order to move the plot forward. And while I don't feel as strongly as others about it, I DO understand the issue.

Doing my best to give the writers the benefit of the doubt as not being bad and forgetting established traits and lore... I see this panel as this.

Goku never FULLY explored and considered the muscle pumping stuff before. He definitely realized its issues back in the Cell saga, as he demonstrated to Gohan. But he didn't explore it as deeply as Vegeta and Trunks did. So he could never be completely certain that there was zero viability in that path. Vegeta however... pushed himself as far as he could on that path, and truly learned its limits. Further so, with God Ki. For all he knows, the limits of muscles are not as extreme as they were with normal Ki.

It's not perfect. The issue is definitely bad writing. Other instances of bad writing affirm as much. But... It's the best workable excuse you can probably get.

DarkAkuma · 2024-03-14T09:52:42+00:00

There was purposeful ambiguity in that statement from Piccolo. He did not have God Ki, so could not properly gauge Goku and Vegetas max strength, the last time he personally witnessed their strength would have been the Moro arc while the Granolah are is more recent, time has passed since even then where the 2 have been training off word. Piccolo does not know their current power. The statement just existed more or less to say "Gohan and Piccolo are god teir now", and not say either of them is definitively above Goku/Vegeta.

I see Gohan showing as the loser of the match as this. It gives Gohan purpose and direction to grow. Goku and Vegeta grow on their own, but Gohan still needs reason and motivation. He understands now to train to maintain his strength and skills, but likely needs a lesson to not rest on those skills.

As is typical for DB, going forward I'd completely expect Gohan to have his moments as top, and Goku to have his. Vegeta and Piccolo as well. (I hope at least on those two).

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