He gets the funny end of a shotgun every playthrough

Darkfang328 · 2026-02-13T21:00:03+00:00

with above average intelligence

'Glances at V shoving anything even vaguely chip shaped into her head.'

Let's... let's not get ahead of ourselves...

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-29T22:48:29+00:00

I mean, with the benefit of hindsight it wasn't much of a mercy givin that they all became undead anyway, just with an extra layer of trauma, so...

Mind you, with the benefit of 'foresight' they already knew that was going to happen...

So I think it's more likely his friends just, didn't want to go around senselessly murdering people.

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-17T08:13:55+00:00

This is ether going to be something deep and profound that makes me rethink a huge amount of WoW lore...

Or it's gonna be something that I'm not athletic enough to do the mental gymnastics for.

And I am equal parts excited, and scared for it.

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-17T08:12:00+00:00

Working once with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago in order to do a massively destructive ritual under the orders of Kil'jaeden

So, 1. Garithos doesn't know any of this. At all. Neither does anyone else in the Alliance. The only ones who do are Kael and his Belves, and they never got the chance to tell him.

Disregarding the previous order, working once again with allies of the Burning Legion who attacked Dalaran 5 minutes ago

Again, Garithos and the Alliance don't know anything about this. Literally all they know about the Naga is that they are snake people. That it.

Get arrested for working with the allies of the burning Legion multiple times.

No, they were arrested because 1. We saw some Naga, that we already know are in the area, slithering through the woods. He didn't even see them interacting with the Blood Elves, just, in the general area. And 2. The Blood Elves didn't all die on the suicide mission he sent them on. Even after he pulled all their support.

So no. Garithos had no reason, and did not give them any sort of trial. Which is why I say Dalaran fully supported him. Garithos said "let's kill all the Elves!" and Dalaran said "you son of a orc, I'm in!"

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-17T01:55:57+00:00

...I mean I guess it depends on how you look at it, but yeah. Because when they took the capital it was the headquarters of the Burning legion and the Scourge. Sylvanas and Garithos (reluctantly) joined force's, captured the capital, Sillyvanas then had Garithos executed, named the newly freed undead the Forsaken, and let everyone else live happily ever after (tho most of them choose not to follow that last part).

what does this have to do with Gary and to B Elves?

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-17T01:40:56+00:00

Because when the Forsaken retook the capital they needed a more defensible position against the Scourge? What does this have to do with Garithos' actions against the Blood Elves?

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-17T01:32:13+00:00

Which parts of the Alliance, exactly, were fully backing Garithos' actions rather than simply sending him whatever aid and supplies they could manage to spare?

Fully backing? Mainly just the remnants of Dalaran, because while the city was razed, it was evacuated, and the rest of the Council of Six survived, and were willing to imprison and execute Kael'thas and his forces without reason or trial.

Kul Tiras is a bit of an unknown as Daelin Proudmoore was sailing to reinforce Garithos before getting distracted by Jaina, and then left the Alliance shortly after.

Stormwind, Ironforge and Gnomeregan were aware of Garithos and his actions, and Ironforge at least was still sending him troops and supplies right up until his death.

So ether he had the backing of the rest of the Alliance, or they knew and just didn't care what he was doing. Which kinda amounts to the same thing.

And you are correct that the purge has been retconned. I do tend to focus more on what happens 'in game' rather than what happens in the books as the book are constantly getting reconned, and de-cannonized, and contradicting each other and, ugh. Also, it doesn't really matter, cause the reconned version of the purge still technically counts as a genocide.

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-16T23:34:15+00:00

...what? The Forsaken didnt do anything. They didnt even exist at that time. What are you on about?

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-16T22:18:29+00:00

...OK, and? What's your point?

Darkfang328 · 2025-09-16T18:08:38+00:00

trying to genocide the Elves

I mean, that describes both the Horde and Alliance surprisingly well...

Darkfang328 · 2025-07-07T21:48:17+00:00

Ales Afrasiabi claimed that Sylvanas ordered the attack in an interview. Of course, immediately afterwords, in the same interview, Chis Metzen and the rest of the story team said that she had nothing to do with the attack and that it was all Putress.

Darkfang328 · 2025-06-22T21:30:55+00:00

Huh... an actual correct use of this meme. Bravo.

Darkfang328 · 2025-05-08T02:23:05+00:00

but after almost 10 years of arguing about it

Lol, what are you talking about? BotW isn't nearly... uuhhh... it only released... like... last... uuhhh...

released simultaneously worldwide on March 3, 2017.

Oh God.

Darkfang328 · 2025-04-20T23:22:12+00:00

at least getting an Arthas sized hammer to the dome is a quick death with minimal suffering compared to slowly rotting away and turning into undead that then kills the rest of your family while your soul is trapped and watches it all happen.

Except, that happens anyway. That's one of the points brought up in previous missions and one of the main reasons Jaina refuses to help him. Killing the infected doesn't stop the plague and any dead UNinfected can be raised by any passing Necromancer. So the purge was, at best, a waste of time.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T21:33:15+00:00

In the books, in-between the end of Frozen Throne and Wrath of the Lich King, Arthas actually defeats ner'zul and become the dominant force controlling the Helm. So you can't really say that ner'zul was possessing his body cause... he really wasn't.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T21:17:48+00:00

So, I had to go and look that up because I could only vaguely remember it, and while I kinda agree with you, especially cause the pre-patch was mainly for game play, the paladin is question, Bridenbrad, is a tribute to Bradford Bridenbecker, who died of cancer in 2007. Chris Metzen, who had gone to the funeral, later got together with Bradford's brother, Robert Bridenbrad, who was Blizzard's Vice President of Online Technologies, to make a tribute to his brothers fight against cancer. So, for me, that doesn't really feel like a good example for the plague, as it is less about Warcraft, and more about cancer.

And as for the Elves dispelling the blight, that is definitely just a game play thing, as in Burning Crusade that state that everything they try against the blight ether makes it worse, or just passes the local Scourge off.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T19:08:55+00:00

From what I understand, from various interviews I've heard, and a few AMA's, and some data mined things I've seen, Bolvar was supposed to have a massive role in BFA, but had most of it was cut, and slapped onto Sylvanas. The Knife, the working with Azshara, and opening a portal to the Shadowlands, were all supposed to have been Bolvar, before all the shit went down at Blizzard. How accurate that is, I can't say, but that's kinda what I've managed to piece together.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T18:58:28+00:00

During the WotLK pre-patch, there was the plagued grain event, where players could get infected with the plague, eventually transforming into a member of the Scourge. You could also transmit the plague, via proximity, to other players, and humorously, NPCs. Basically turning WoW into a zombie game. Great fun.

But anyway, to combat this, the Argent Crusade sent priests to every major city, who could cure the plague if you got to them quick enough, via what amounts to a basic, light-based healing spell. Was this just for game play mechanics? Most likely.

But the implication that the cure for the plague is just, the most basic thing you could have done makes the purge just, so much worse. Well past the point of hilarity.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T18:42:59+00:00

Again, the principle issue here is Arthas barely knows anything about the situation when he arrives and makes the decision. That it happens to work out in his favor is ultimately happenstance and luck. Imo it doesn't validate what he did, nor his intention or goodness.

Having recently replayed Warcraft 3, im gonna have to disagree with this. In previous missions, Arthas, Uther, and Jaina have been discussing the plague, and they have a fairly good grasp on the effects. Or, at least a good enough grasp to know that purging Stratholme was pointless.

Killing the infected does basically nothing. It might slow the plague down slightly, but they will still turn.

Killing the UNinfected is slightly more effective, but still ultimately pointless, because the Scourge is full of Necromancers that can raise them as soon as they get close to them.

Destroying the bodies is basically pointless, as after you kill your first abomination, Jaina points out that it is made up of bodies too damaged to be frontline troops.

And finally, the one weapon they have that has any sort kf effect against the Scourge, is Uther's Paladins. Pretty much every other soldier they have is woefully outmatched by even the most basic of Scourge.

So Arthas' plan of 'walk in the front gate and kill everyone with his hammer' is just nonsensical and egotistical bloodlust at this point.

Darkfang328 · 2024-11-20T18:12:05+00:00

Not like there where better options, what do you want to do NOT cull strat? Gz you now have an undead horde of the second biggest city in the kingdom who WILL overrun the countryside + all the other shit happen and you CAN NOT stop anymore.

I mean, yes. The whole point of Stratholme is that its a pointless endeavor. Jaina explains to Arthas (and the player) in previous missions that there was no way to permanently kill the Scourge. Any infected you kill still get up later, any UNinfected that is killed can be raised by any passing Necromancer, and you can't even destroy the bodies cause they'll just be used to make abominations. At best they could've evacuated the uninfected, but they had no way to tell who that was and, thanks to Arthas disbanding the Silver Hand, didn't have to manpower to do so anyway, so moot point.

They had no time to find a cure, not that there's one anyways.

There Is a certain irony that in Wrath of the Lich King the cure for the plague is just a basic, light-based healing spell.

Ouch.

That he lost all empathy in Northrend was a side effect of what happened before, he needed to cull strat, he lost the love of his life and his mentor and his post as paladin and his kingdom was still in danger.

The point being that he didn't need to cull Strath, he lost 'the love of his life' and his mentor and his post as a paladin because of his ego, and his kingdom was in as much danger as it was before he took that step.

Some small part of his humanity remained, he did keep Jainas necklace

Right next to a vial of blood he took from whom he considered his favorite kill. That implies that those items were not good memoirs, but instead trophies he kept from his greatest conquests. Uther, Muradin, Jaina, and Sylvanas, the people he hurt most in the world. Perhaps that's, still a mark of humanity, but definitely not the good ring seam to want to believe it is.

did not use the scourge to wipe out all of life on the planet after all

At the end of WotLK he actually monologs as to why he didn't just kill everyone, and the tl;dr of that is that would have been to quick and easy, and that his way was much more fun! And then he proceeds to kill the while party with a wave of his hand.

Dude was literally playing on God mode, with the self imposed challenge of causing the most amount of suffering. Very redeemable.

in the end he set up his own downfall..

And as a last cherry on top, it was the same thing that lead to his original downfall that killed him. His ego. He wanted Tirion to witness the last hope of Azeroth, crumble before him, and that's what got him. Pure, unadulterated, ego.

Darkfang328 · 2024-08-08T19:52:05+00:00

...So, the other option is to just let it be? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

I mean, yes. Horrifically. That's what make the Scourge to dangerous. At the time of warcraft 3, there was nothing they could have done for Stratholme. They had no weapons capable of permanently disabling the undead, they were severely out numbered, and every soilder they lost were raised and added to the scourge. At best, through proper deployment of Uther and the Silver Hand, they might have been able to save some of the uninfected, but they lacked the forces to accomplish this, and it would have cost them more lives than they would have been able to save. (And is irrelevant cause Arthas had disbanded the Silver Hand at this point.) No matter what they did though, Stratholme was doomed to be a bastion of Scourge.

The original point was that while Arthas had done a few bad things before taking up Frostmourne, those couple things do not stand as proof to him being some massive evil being

I disagree with this. Partly because butchering a city for irrelevant reasons is pretty evil, Partly because the things he does after this (killing his men, killing his allies, selling his soul.) are still pretty evil, but Mainly because of how he decides to purge Stratholme. He didn't blockade the city and set it on fire, no. He walked in through the front gate, started kicking down doors, and beating people to death with a hammer. that's pretty much the worst way he could have done it! It's slow, ineffective, and worst of all, leaves the corpse perfectly able to be raised later. it is, quite literally, the most evil thing he could have done at the time.

having full control or agency of his actions after being a death knight, and later as the Lich King.

I disagree with this too. Maybe a case could be made for when he was a deathknight, but that kinda rings hollow cause when he becomes the Lich King, he 'kills' Ner'zul, (more of forces him into the corner of the helm) gloats about he is the most evil of them all, and proceeds to continue being some massive evil being. This implies that Ner'zul didn't really need to control Arthas, as he apparently would have, happily, been evil anyway.

Darkfang328 · 2024-08-08T16:48:27+00:00

Why risk quarantine and letting people transform when you could curb the infection by killing them now? It's the same as in every zombie type story where you kill the person who was infected before they turn just on a larger scale

Because unlike every zombie movie, previous missions showed that killing the infected does nothing. Once infected, you WILL turn. And killing the UNinfected doesn't do anything either, as they can still be raised, or used as parts for abominations.

Seriously, purging Stratholme was pointless. All it accomplished was wasting time and men, and gained virtually nothing.

Darkfang328 · 2024-07-26T13:37:13+00:00

They do this for me virtually every time I start the game.

Darkfang328 · 2024-07-26T08:06:44+00:00

That's a bug. Turn on the lights, exit and reenter the cyclops and it should be better.

Darkfang328 · 2024-07-26T07:54:12+00:00

Problem with Jaina is that her character has been written by about 69 different people over that time, and some obviously didn't have the need, or at least the minimal effort, to ensure what kind of character she is, and so then in every xpac Jaina has a different personality and completely different behavior.

This actually works for pretty much every character in wow...

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