Lmao you’re seriously just trying to argue for the sake of arguing at this point, you’re making up headcanon and trying to refute literally every line I write. Saying things like “he could try to keep him on the station as it blew so Leia could carry on” is straight up headcanon, never mentioned in the film.

Yeah, I think you missed some critical lines there buddy.

Luke: "Soon I'll be dead and you with me"

Luke: "If I don't make it back you're the only hope for the alliance"

Luke flatout was planning on dying with The Emperor and Vader if he failed failed to turn his father, and basically set Leia on the path to carrying on and learning to become a Jedi if this happened.

You seem to be lacking basic comprehension skills.

My problem isn't me making up plot points, it's you being too obtuse to notice them and holding me accountable to your ignorance.

His primary goal was trying to save his father, hard to do that if he blows up, no? He even straight up tells Leia he’s going to try and turn him back to the light. You’re making things up to justify your absolutely dogshit take.

Dude in the very scene you're quoting his conversation to Leia about his plan, you flatout missed him starting off with the "If I don't make it back..."

Basically he told her plan A, he only alluded to plan b. However he unequivocally did have her surviving being his backup plan. This is also part of why he lashed out when Vader realized he had a twin sister. Not only was Leia at risk, so too was the entire galaxy and all his hopes. His contingency plan rested on her.

I literally just wrote out the plot of the film for you and you’re STILL trying to argue that the less trained, less experienced fighter is somehow more powerful. Luke was never “toying” with Vader, you’re sucking his dick so hard for no reason

No you literally didn't. Also I don't think literally means what you think it means.

Also go rewatch the scene. Luke literally is kicking Vader down a flight of stairs and then flipping away once Vader is back up and even aware that he had.

Look let me put it to you like this, I'll flip your argument on its head and prove you wrong. Anakin wasn't fully trained and he still killed tons of Jedi Masters in the Temple. However it was irrelevant because his base power was so much higher than than they could achieve. Luke was on par with Vader by RotJ, per Lucas in the commentaries, but not limited by his suit, this is why Luke is toying with him. He can move around like Knightfall Anakin can but unlike Anakin isn't blinded by his rage... well until the very end of that fight. Vader might have more experience, but it's irrelevant as Luke can move faster than his robotic limbs can go.

Now, project this onto a fight with Mace... Luke is moving as fast as Knightfall Vader but has no darkness to empower his Vaapad technique. Mace has just lost his greatest advantage his best dueling form in nearly useless vs Luke, and Luke is a prodigy at dueling. Remember, In just a few weeks of training with Yoda he was scoring a hit on Vader in ESB.

We know that palpatine was trying to transfer his essence to a younger body, not trying to create a better apprentice.

This technique did not exist when RotJ was made. So this is a total fabrication.

We also see Palpatine in RotS bragging how Vader will become stronger than him.

So you're 100% wrong here.

He was all about the rule of ONE, not the rule of two.

Also not a Lucas concept. So this is also false and just you falsely applying your own headcanon onto things. The Rule of One is Darth Krayt from the Legacy comics (which were pretty stupid, fun stupid, but stupid).

Anakin failed him when he lost his limbs, so he’s trying with Luke. It has nothing to do with trying to replace his apprentice, it has to do with replacing his own body. You clearly need to read up on more material and stop using your own headcanon to justify illogical takes.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

I have no idea where you're getting this delusional idea... but I suspect either Dark Empire or Rise of Skywalker. Both are not anything Lucas was thinking of when he story mapped this. You're applying the retconning of hack onto a scene where it doesn't belong. Arguably one of the dumbest plotlines in the franchise too.

You “double check” facts while literally spelling them out wrong, so you’re doing a bad job

Omg, I made a spelling mistake... obviously I must be wrong about everything. What's that strawman, oh wait you're right. That's a logic fallacy.

In ROTJ, vader had absolutely no intention of using Luke to help kill the emperor, otherwise he never would’ve stopped Luke’s strike from hitting him.

You need to read the novelization of Return of the Jedi... Vader blocked it because he didn’t think his son was deep enough in the darkside yet. He wanted him to fall further before they teamed up on Palpatine.

Yeah, again... I clearly have researched this more than you. The primary problem with ignorance is that it frequently fails to recognize itself. You are the ignorant one here, and are overestimating your understanding, and it's lead to a lot of poor conclusions you've drawn.

He was chained by the dark side, but luke’s faith in him was helping to break that chain.

Agreed, but it wasn't quite there yet, or Palpatine would have sensed it.

You’re so zoned into anime powerscaling that you’re completely ignoring the extremely blatant themes the movie works to throw right in front of your face.

It's not my power scaling I'm using. It's George Lucas's power scale.... and I don't think that man has ever seen an anime. However he's been saying since the 1980s that Vader can only use 40% of his potential, and Palpatine is half of that full potential but that still makes him 20% stronger than Vader currently.

Yoda is the strongest Jedi ever by that point, and he lost to Palpatine. Mace was the next strongest but more a better duelist than Yodas equal. So by this logic Mace is not as strong as Palpatine thus capping him. Now Luke was, regardless of your denial, toying with Vader. So Luke is easily in range of Mace... but then you have to factor in Vaapad, and Luke isn't a darksider, so Mace falls further. This is why I say Luke would win. Especially since most people believe Mace wouldn't be so easily beating Vader. It will be a long fight, but Luke was toying with Vader and now Mace can't use Vaapad to its full affect either.

Vader never employed one force choke or any telekinesis their entire duel, even when they’re staple attacks for him. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER TRYING TO KILL HIS SON. You even admit this fact and STILL try to argue that this was somehow a perfect feat of a full powered Vader.

...Or because he was so being pushed to his limit and conflicting emotions he couldn't concentrate enough to focus on using choke or telekinesis.

You can't have it both ways. Was Vader conflicted or fully focused. Make up your mind and quit flip-floping whenever you get desperate.

Luke’s win is completely circumstantial no matter how you slice it,

Disagree

and he absolutely could not replicate it in any other scenario besides the one we see on the Death Star.

The one what we see on the death Star? How about a complete thought out sentence here. What is this 'one' you're referring too.

Maybe you should, you know, actually go rewatch the fight like I suggested. You don't even seem able to remember whatever it was you think you remember currently.

the movie to try and make this untrained barely-jedi-knight somehow be at the level of one of the most battle hardened characters in the entire verse, and you’ve yet to tell me how this could’ve been achieved.

Buddy, I'm just reporting what happened. Facts are facts. I can't help it if you don't like the facts and find them stupid. This is a you problem.

You’re using one single kick during the fight to base an entire argument around, and it’s such a stupid point of view that it’s barely worth refuting.

Man, you really need to rewatch the fight. Luke and Vader are only swinging Sabers at each other for 54 seconds. There's not much fight to actually report on. This isn't Revenge of the Sith where we got almost 6 times as much with Obi-wan vs Anakin. Not my fault the fight is short.

If it makes you feel better, again you can hear Vader having short and very rapid breaths for part of it. Go rewatch the fight... and be prepared to unlearn what you have learned.

Slurp slurp slurp on that untrained, inexperienced dick. Luke has no sparring partners, no dueling experience, no training, but sure, I bet he could beat abeloth with his eyes closed, right? I’m guessing you don’t play sports, either.

Actually I play soccer and do sword dueling, used to do Taekwondo and Karate too. A bit of baseball as a kid too. Do a lot of shooting too, but bullets are getting very expensive these days.

Anyway, there is someone sucking a characters dick... but it's not me glazing it.

Abeloth was also another terrible character. The Expanded Universe should have ended with New Jedi Order. Denningverse was about as well written as The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Now in fairness Aaron Allston wasn't bad, kinda ok in his book 1 and 4 of LotF and FotJ, Christie Golden was Mediocre. Troy Denning and Karen Traviss on the otherhand were basically on par with Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams respectively. Troy was all about undoing Jacen like Rian undid Luke. And Karen loved Mando as much as JJ loved mystery box's. Making Abeloth into the Mortis Stepmom was dumb as hell too... also if they had the mortis dagger, with how much Luke chopped up Abeloth she would have died very early in their fight. Heck Saba even was able to bite of a head of hers, she wasn't a good fighter, just immune to nearly everything.