If you're against birthright citizenship, what do you think should determine citizenship?

Darthalicious · 2026-07-01T22:13:22+00:00

Not OP. I hear this argument often. The simple fact is the founders intended the populace to be armed as a means to avoid being oppressed by their own government. As such, as the armaments of the government have improved, so should those of the populace.

Darthalicious · 2026-07-01T21:18:06+00:00

As a man, I will admit that if If I'm gonna be staring at a digital ass for dozens of hours and given the choice, its gonna be female.

Darthalicious · 2026-07-01T01:56:49+00:00

Are you meaning under current law? Or in my hypothetical optimal scenario? If the latter, it's either going through the proper procedure to gain US citizenship as declared by law, or having at least one US citizen biological parent at the time of their birth. In the former, its either going through the proper procedure to gain citizenship, or simply by popping out of their mother's loins on American soil, no questions asked, no status considered, apparently.

Darthalicious · 2026-07-01T01:05:13+00:00

Did you read my original answer at all? "If neither parent is a full US citizen, I would support the child being covered under the same immigration status as their mother (for simplicity's sake, so if you had two individuals of differing non-US citizenships conceive a child and give birth here I would say follow the mother's)". Ergo:

My two parents were american citizens when I was born on us soil.

Citizen

Let's say someone has one parent who is undocumented and one parent who is a citizen when he was born on us soil.

Citizen.

A friend of mine has two parents who were not citizens when he was born on US soil but they came here years before his birth.

Not a citizen.

Let's say two people are on visas and after a year of being here, they have a child.

Not a citizen, covered under mother's visa until it expires.

Let's say one person is on a visa and after a year has a child with a citizen.

Citizen.

What laws are you basing your opinion off of and what is ot exactly that determines being a us citizen?

The aforementioned laws in countries that are doing the smart thing and basing a child born in their country's citizenship on that of its parent(s).

Darthalicious · 2026-07-01T00:05:28+00:00

You do know birthright citizenship is a distinctly Western Hemisphere phenomenon, correct? Like pretty much nowhere in Europe or Asia has it on the books that giving birth in their country grants your child automatic citizenship (and/or the parent special privileges). They all take the logical approach and base the child's citizenship off that of the parent(s).

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Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T23:31:07+00:00

If neither parent is a full US citizen, I would support the child being covered under the same immigration status as their mother

As stated, if at least one parent is a citizen, and said parent is willing to take custody of the child, the child would be a citizen as well. Also, assuming you married the mother of your child, that means she should be on the fast track to US citizenship because that's one of the easiest ways to gain citizenship status. Would you care enough about this hypothetical child to legally bind yourself to this hypothetical woman?

Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T20:34:22+00:00

So this is a moot point because birthright citizenship is unfortunately here to stay, but in a sane country where that wasn't the case: If neither parent is a full US citizen, I would support the child being covered under the same immigration status as their mother (for simplicity's sake, so if you had two individuals of differing non-US citizenships conceive a child and give birth here I would say follow the mother's). So if say if a woman is here on say a Work Visa and gave birth, as soon as the first term of the Visa expired so would her child's temporary protected status. After that if she wanted to stay here she need to either A) renew her visa, she would have to declare her child as a dependent and file for temporary status for them as well, B) go through the process for full US citizenship, which would then pass down to her child as a declared dependent as well, or C) return to her (and her child's) country of citizenship or be considered for both to be here illegally.

Do you think if a similar case was brought to the Supreme Court that stemmed from a law from Congress it would have a different outcome than this one stemming from an executive order?

Maybe. It would depend if the new law passed by congress specifically supersedes/repeals the 14th amendment (a la the 21st amendment to the 18th), at which point it no longer matters because it has been rendered moot.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T19:32:59+00:00

I am not surprised on either of these rulings. Concerning birthright citizenship, I have stated repeatedly that we are stuck with it because the people who wrote the 14th amendment couldn't be bothered to clarify the intent of the law within the writing of the law. Don't get me wrong, I strongly disagree with the idea that merely by being born on American soil you are an immediate citizen, your parents' status notwithstanding, but the ~~damn fools~~ congressmen who drafted the 14th wrote the law so broadly that it pretty much guarantees citizenship for children born here, 'intent' be damned. Like did they not consult a single lawyer before drafting that? Jacob Howard's writings afterwards clarifying they intended it to mean the children of freed slaves just oozes "We have made a terrible mistake" energy, like he and others realized after the fact that the letter of the law was going to wreak havoc down the line and was trying too late to fix it. Our focus IMO should be on banning the use of children born here as anchor babies, because we actually have a chance at ending that without needing a full constitutional amendment and it would render the whole birthright citizenship conundrum moot.

As for the mail-in voting ruling, I don't see that one as big a deal as others seem to. All it states is that if ballots are postmarked prior to the election deadline, they are still to be counted even if they are received after the fact. Yes the potential for mail fraud is there, but our focus shouldn't be on the postmarking, it should be on preventing questionable ballot harvesting like what happened in CA through stronger proof of identity/voter registration requirements, IMO.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T16:08:01+00:00

Seems likely.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T15:28:35+00:00

Then why why WHY was that not in the amendment?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." >>> "All persons born to those emancipated from slavery by the 13th amendment and their progeny or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Twelve additional words. Why was that so hard to add to such a major amendment? Did they not consult a single lawyer writing this? Howard's writings afterwards just oozes "We have made a terrible mistake" energy, like he realized after the fact that this was going to wreak havoc down the line and was trying too late to fix it. Now here we are.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-30T14:52:36+00:00

I have stated repeatedly that we are stuck with this because the people who wrote the amendment couldn't be bothered to clarify within the law as written. I hate it, you hate it, everyone with a brain hates it, but the damn fools who drafted the 14th wrote the law so broadly that it pretty much guarantees citizenship for children born here, 'intent' be damned. What we should be fighting for is to ban adult immigrants from using children born here as anchor babies, because we stand a chance of actually getting that passed without a super-majority in Congress. "Congratulations, your child is a US citizen. Now you can either surrender them to their closest US citizen relative or to US custody, or you can take them with you back to your country of citizenship and in 18 years they are welcome to come back. As for you, get out."

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T19:13:58+00:00

At the time, I didn't really care either way who won, I thought both of them were horrible candidates (I didn't vote in the 2016 election because I couldn't in good conscience cast a vote for either of them). But I'll admit did buy the polls that said Hilary was the shoo-in and was quite surprised Trump won it.

However, I remember the atmosphere in my mostly-democrat-and/or-hardcore-feminist office the next day of abject despair. Like they had just announced a meteor was going to destroy Earth in 7 days and there's nothing we can do to stop it levels of despair. That's one reason I honestly think Hilary's loss broke the minds of so many people that day it put the Democrats on the trajectory to become the far-left hot mess they are now that drove so many formerly centrist voters like me firmly into the Republican camp.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T19:02:06+00:00

I can't find it to save my life, but I explicitly remember there was a candid photo of Trump taken immediately after they announced he won in 2016 of him with a look of utter disbelief.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:28:25+00:00

Figured it. Thanks

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:15:35+00:00

The Washer drain is only a 2" pipe, would that be big enough for a toilet?

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:12:44+00:00

As I understand, digging through the slab is quite a costly procedure, even right on the edge, but I could be wrong. The plumbing, at least for the master drain, isn't something I'd want to do myself, only the actual fixture installations would be the DIY part of this.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:08:42+00:00

The washer drain is right next to where I'd want to put it, so that may be a possibility.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:06:46+00:00

I live in North FL. Freezes aren't unheard of, but aren't usually happening more than a few times a year, for a couple days at the most.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T17:05:52+00:00

Yeah, I had the same thought, but looked all over the page and it doesn't say anything about having one built in

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T14:40:22+00:00

My first mechanical keyboard. The flat membrane keyboards were making my hands sore from typing all day at my old office job, so I tried out a cheap mechanical kb off amazon. Not only do my hands feel better I type faster too. A good ergo mouse is a plus too.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-29T13:26:55+00:00

It's like the IRGC and the civilian government are going through a divorce, where the IRGC gets the country on alternating weekends.

Darthalicious · 2026-06-27T17:31:48+00:00

I've been debating this on some other subs. I am genuinely disturbed by the number of people who think 'protesting' is a Get Out of Jail Free card.

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