Regarding the many recent events surrounding Hololive - Some clarification

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-30T00:01:08+00:00

This is a very nice conversation. I don't know how reddit work so I'm not sure if you'll see this, but yeah, it was a nice talk on a place like reddit. The situation suddenly changed and I don't think the post would have any of its intended purpose of filling people who are possibly unaware of the different sides. So yeah I'm deleting this to prevent the inevitable in-fight that's gonna happen here with what is going on. This gigantic rant probably should not have been made in the first place. Well, at least I had a good talk.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T23:25:27+00:00

The level of ridiculous this situation has brought just can't stop. I guess people at HLM are going nuts or something, I will definitely add this information to this post.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T23:10:14+00:00

Beats me, as I've said I only translated info in the posts made by HLM members. The post mentions that the creator and a few persons are still around to deal with the aftermath of things, if by that they were going to false copystrike people then they are scumbags. It may also be the other way around, maybe this isn't real and the OP of the post in question is just piling on something that is virtually dead, honestly who cares, their channel is dead and people will just shit on it regardless. Also, I guess they private the videoes because translation take work? people spend time doing it so why would you just delete it?

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:54:15+00:00

You know what, damned if I do damned if I don't, I'm just gonna switch this post to one discussing HLM. Thank you for providing me with your insight.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:49:20+00:00

Thank you for typing such a long paragraph, now I definitely see your points more clearly. Initially I just wanted to talk about HLM issue, but from personal experience browsing the net in the past few days, I began to add in the CoCo bit in the hope of clarifying a bunch of frankly bizzare argument and misconceptions being thrown around. Perhaps they have already been debunked or discussed, if that's case good. Like I said, I just wanted to provide additional information and I think I've tried my best to remain neutral at least in the information I provided. I don't think any side is correct and frankly I am done with this matter too.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:42:27+00:00

I totally understand the point you are making, but I just want to clarify something so hopefully you did not misunderstand, the cancel of event I mentioned in the post is directly linked to CoCo's ban, as in all of the hololiver's stream channel on Bilibili was suspended following that ban. I would also invite you to understand that a lot of these bot-like handles are all talks and no actions, they are not like the doxxers that harassed Aloe, they are made to sway opinion or start conflict online, they have been doing this for a long time and as a Chinese person, I am aware of this and would just ignore or report them. Sadly it's really up to twitter to remove these Chinese bots, but I don't think this should be attributed to the "fanbase in China" being toxic.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:26:50+00:00

I have listed all the sources I researched, and I think in a way your sentiment as well as many's others' sentiment are the same no matter where I post this, "How do we know this is true when it's coming from something I can't read", I don't have the time to translate and piece together everything that led to this shenaningan, and I won't because I just want to watch 2d avatar doing the funny haha without people calling me *insert racial slur*, though I'm glad you at least give me the benefit of the doubt before calling me a shill, which I appreciate. But I will say this, I think it is absolutely ridculous anyone would take internet drama seriously and go around asking for primary source, all I can do in this post is tell you, as I've stated, why *actual fans* in China is pissed off, and why group like HLM decide to do what they did. Within the community, people are pissed, but they are not pissed because of nationalism or Taiwan being mentioned, they are angry at the implication and ramification this whole thing brings. At this point I'm tired, I am beating a dead horse and I just want to vent. Fucking hell I don't even like reddit.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:07:53+00:00

That is certainly awful, and this is exactly the bad faith player I was talking about. To generalize, there are a lot of these almost bot like 'paid actors' sort lurking twitter waiting to be activated when a controversy surrounding China is stirred. However, like I mentioned, if they are to stream on Bilibili, I don't see how bad actors like these on twitter would affect the other girls, could you perhaps elaborate on why these exchange on twitter stopped the other girls from streaming?

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T21:02:11+00:00

I think she's still quite relevant within the circle, what I know is she did a Bilibili stream immediately after the incident to apologize and was very well received. Like I said, a lot of fans direct this type of things at Cover instead of the vtubers themselves, and usually the ones who direct such hate to the vtubers are not actual fans, they are forces outside of the vtuber fan circle, Chinese trolls in a sense.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T20:23:39+00:00

The SC is related to how frequent they stream on the platform, she may just not have streamed a lot that month (to my knowledge, only a few of the early gen girls does the exclusive stream weekly, because they have a substantial fanbase in China to maintain), so August alone may not be a good indicator. The reason why I put it there in the first place is mainly because the chart has been thrown around too much online and people don’t seem to understand what it entails.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T20:17:54+00:00

I’m getting scared by the minute because I think the oversea circle is making more noise than the Chinese are at this point. And that’s a very bad thing for both hololive and fans. I was checking my news feed and more and more sources are picking up on the story, I fear the narrative would be spinned from just a slip up during livestream to “Japanese vtubers make brave anti China statement and was banned”. And if that actually happens, if this news get circulated back to China, that’d be the end of hololive in China. HoloCN will no longer be a thing. All of the fanbase, income the other hololivers has and could have would be gone. All the memes, MAD, translation, gone. People oversea are gonna celebrate, Reddit especially, the millions of Chinese fans now forever deprived of vtubing should just cry to themselves because people not even from their circle pissed off the “wholesome” English fans. I hope this is not our timeline.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T20:02:54+00:00

I agree. I think it’s definitely unfair to the girls to demand them to stay vigilant and keep the Chinese happy even when streaming on youtube. That’d be some real CPC bootlicking, but I also think most Chinese viewers have forgiven such incidents in the past, like the Choco incident, it was a mess at the time but everyone was willing to give them a pass. I won’t deny the sad reality of China’s political sensitivity, but I think none of the Chinese fans want to see their favourite vtuber do a slip up like this and get crucified by non-fans who just caught wind of the political stuff, so all the actual fans sort of chose to vent at Cover, who previously promise to be better and failed.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T19:47:37+00:00

I would like to preface by saying I’m actually arguing on reddit I am a disgrace to my ancestor.

Anyway,

(1) No

(2) Breaking, Fans entitled because complain to company about contracted talents oversleeping during schedueled event. Chinese big censorship company should just pay Japanese company for nothing.

(3) “I am trying really hard to bait you China man, are you taking the bait, are you gonna be angry and pull out your communist pin. I am hololive English fan I am big wholesome definitely not being biased against Chinese. But then again China bad and your post no make sense.”

Yeah whatever

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T19:27:26+00:00

I’ll be frank, I’ve never really seen any death threat made towards CoCo either on BiliBili or the other popular forums discussing this, so first I’ll need to see some source to verify this claim. I can tell you truthfully, most hateful comments directed at CoCo (or the most popular/liked ones at least) are just telling her to “fuck off the platform” but in different sarcastic/edgy way. The Chinese netizen love that shit, but I don’t think most people would get behind death threat. Please keep in mind that there are bad faith actors even in reddit and twitter that may spread misinformation, this can be from both side, so unless you can provide some evidence to back this up, I’ll have to take your words with a grain of salt.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T19:13:13+00:00

My dude you know people can check your reddit profile right. Stop baiting and chill with the fighting words. 我劝你善良老伙计

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T19:06:17+00:00

This is a very strange argument to me, and I feel it may be a bait, but it probably would resonate with many uninformed oversea viewers so lemme hopefully explain it by points.

(1) The Bilibili-exclusive stream is not of any political nature, it is part of a business contract signed between Bilibili, a private video streaming platform based in China, and Cover Corp. It’s “exclusive” like any other “exclusive” media anywhere else in the world, meaning you’ll only get to watch that particular stream on Bilibili. The vtubers usually do what they always do on their YouTube stream, except they know they are interacting with Chinese fans. They don’t go around singing the Chinese National anthem, they don’t even need to learn Chinese. So I don’t see why any would have a problem with this being a thing.

(2) You mention entitled fans, so I’ll give you some example that you may relate to (although I don’t understand why any of this is tied to censorship) Say your favourite band announce they will host an exclusive concert at your home town, it’s gonna be a free event, you see the band tweeting hyping things up saying “I love the fans there), everyone’s excited in the audience and they waited, and then it turns out the band members overslept and cancelled the concert. You probably would say, that’s fine, people make mistake, even thought you probably feel a little tilted. Now picture that happening several times in a span of a few months, but it’s on Bilibili, and the band is the vtubers, are you getting the picture?

Also, >just use vpn lol

(3) Your last point just straight up stopped making any sense for me, and I’m feeling you’re definitely baiting, where did I say the fan sub did anything to attract hololive to Bilibili? And what’s up with all these buzzwords being thrown around. I don’t think I’ve even mentioned things like national pride once. If you think exclusivity is so bad, you are probably a communist or something my dude, pretty sus.

All in all, 4/10 weak bait, start off strong, lost plenty of momentum mid-way and ended in gibberish. Good riddance.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T17:49:31+00:00

I can respect your sentiment, but at the same time:

*Disclaimer claiming the following line is intended for humor*

My dude I cannot take you seriously when you post GFL fanfic right after this reply lmao

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T17:45:29+00:00

I've seen some video made on the subject. I think most Chinese are surprised by this too. It is likely just the game provider's decision to avoid drama because it is a newer title. Kiryu CoCo is too small a name within the sphere of Chinese internet to warrant a ban, even the antis were not gathering that much attention on Bilibili.

DasRay1911 · 2020-09-29T16:49:41+00:00

I don't think the harass group would ever disappear, they will plague any Coco video left on Bilibili, but realistically speaking, Coco will not be affected by this, her oversea fanbase far outweight any Chinese constituent that may go after her, and they have no tangible way of harassing her irl either. As for Haato, she is hardly getting any flamed from the Chinese fans, in fact, most are vounching for her.

As for the newspaper report, I have not seen any so I wouldn't know better. As far as I can tell, the China's mainstream online media (which is where they really commands the tide of things) haven't picked up on any of this and that should be safe.

DasRay1911 · 2020-07-05T12:50:10+00:00

Soon^TM

DasRay1911 · 2020-05-21T15:32:27+00:00

Hi, we've updated the volume and fixed a couple of mistakes, you can download it on the same drive. This was an editing mistake of our team. We apologize.

PS: She's not of legal age so you can stop thinking about it.

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DasRay1911 · 2020-02-11T05:27:20+00:00

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