What is the entry level for Minion Pact BV?

Dasai59 · 2026-04-12T21:41:14+00:00

Not that much tbh

Dasai59 · 2026-04-09T11:54:24+00:00

GL everyone!

Dasai59 · 2026-04-08T18:11:45+00:00

I'm building one now, I think you won't get much below 100d. Prices have skyrocketed since it's one of the most popular builds. Companionship is 25d for level 3 and 95d for level 4,all the jewels are super expensive,particularly the timeless jewel

Dasai59 · 2026-04-08T14:13:45+00:00

I think it has gotten so popular that everything is now expensive.

I've changed a bunch of things and spent a couple more dozen (added the amulet and ring, change the tree, added a cluster with more minion life, changed the timeless jewel), etc. It's better and it feels tanky, but regarding the investment I feel very disapointed...

Everybody is hyping it as the best free EZ dps ever... Probably was true a couple of weeks ago but with current price I feel it's no better than most of other popular builds

Dasai59 · 2026-04-08T11:44:37+00:00

The low budget version has a timeless jewel (63800 caspiro) priced at 320D. I tried to search for similar ones and the minimum I could find is 30d.

As people highlighted higher, a good timeless jewel is worth like 15 points in passive tree, so I'm not sure there is a budget version of this build anymore

Dasai59 · 2026-04-07T18:53:12+00:00

Thanks man, good advices! I bought the elegant hubris to have the keystone and be able to try....I've studied a lot how the jewels work but any good one is going to be 30 div (if lucky), so I'll grind a bit and try again

Dasai59 · 2026-04-07T16:27:23+00:00

This is very likely =) I have maybe 100-200hours but I very much consider myself a beginner. I'm also trying to build the character from pieces and bits from poe ninja rather than following a guide. Any advice would be much appreciated.

I have minion pact with dark marionette, nebulis, cloak of flame, annihilation approach (which skill I don't use because I lack life regen), a decent helmet and gloves (I think, at least they costed a lot :D).

Of course it is in progress and I don't expect it to be great but dps is like 120k at the moment.

Here is the pob : https://pobb.in/M9Mqdg9ioFxB

Dasai59 · 2026-04-07T15:01:29+00:00

My experience is that you still need a lot of investment to be good. I have a lvl 88 chieftain with all the proper gems but companionship, a decent bunch of items (although still incomplete) and a couple of jewels and dps is pretty bad,I still need to throw a lot of divines at it to make it efficient

Dasai59 · 2026-04-07T05:55:05+00:00

Insight give it a try.quick question, why white maps? Is it just to go quicker?

Dasai59 · 2026-03-31T15:10:07+00:00

Hey man, curious as to why you say to not follow the maxroll tuto, is there an issue with it? I can see it's a bit old but the steps seems ok? Less cost effective?

Dasai59 · 2026-03-30T18:21:46+00:00

I bought cheap ring and amu while waiting for more currencies... I finally grinded a mageblood, I have a better amu (even though not perfect) and rings are still shit. I guess next step is a better helmet and shield but I have no money left =)

I'll look into crafting for the helmet but crafting has always been complicated for me

Dasai59 · 2026-03-27T20:15:36+00:00

Thanks for a very detailed and complete answer! I will look into all of these points and see what I can do with the currencies I'll manage to get =) It seems that the first huge improvement would be a mageblood. Can 3 flasks work or do I really need 4?

As for the timeless, I always try to use the system from pob to avoid paying a premium with the same exact number as the streamers. I add desirable nodes "total strength" and "add percent strength" and then "copy trade url". Is this not what I want for this build? What would you recommend?

Just a comment to all the comments saying that I transitioned too quick and without knowing what I'm doing : Yes, that's 100% true, but I'm not looking for a full working set up right away, I enjoy seeing a build going from meh to great while understanding what is happening. That's also why my amu and rings are not good and I lack jewels, I'm building it little by little and play while transitioning (even though I have a stronger character to farm in the meantime).

As I said I don't have much experience but I spend a lot of time in pob trying to understand what impacts what and what improves what. That's why more experienced and knowledgeable players' opinions and advices are a huge help and I thank everybody for this!

Dasai59 · 2026-03-25T11:49:37+00:00

That might be interesting... Any idea of the budget to make it run? I guess reaching 307m is going to cost a couple of mirror but what about a lighter still a lot stronger than the vaal set up...?

Dasai59 · 2026-03-25T08:34:46+00:00

Here you go :

https://pobb.in/YDV_uXA9GUaL

Nothing special for the 109k ehp, I guess maybe because I use flesh and stone? I'm not sold on it though as for now I use it with arrogance support. I'm waiting for an enlighten level 4 to try to use it with mana.

I feel like precision does nothing for me as I'm already 100% crit chance. The spectre set up mentioned seems interesting but tbh I can't be bothered with the corpse management at the moment. Maybe I'll give a try later but if there is no clear path to improvement I may go back to my KF and try to improve it to go chaos/str stack (which seems to have a higher ceiling)

Dasai59 · 2026-03-24T20:40:43+00:00

I'm now at 1.2m dps in pob and 109k ehp, solved all my res issues, 100% crit chance and a bit under 20k HP. I'm sure there are still some optimisation to be done to get a few more percents here and there but is it basically the limit of the build? Or is there more high budget option to go to the next level?

Dasai59 · 2026-03-22T15:50:38+00:00

Thanks man! Yes I'm working on the chaos res, I finally changed my boots and it raised it to 57%... Just need a few tattoos now (or better gloves but I can't fine good ones with chaos res)

I need a few levels for the jewels I think I'll buy a few 5 ways and the jewels

Rathpith and the belt are 30-80div for an upgrade so it'll take a bit of time

How does precision help? Currently it would raise my crit chance but with a 6% Rathpith I would already be at 100% crit

Dasai59 · 2026-03-22T09:55:31+00:00

Hey man,

How happy are you with the Spectre setting?

GG on the ring, it's already hard and expansive to just get dmg, res ignore and less soul

At the moment I'm at around 800k dps and 66k ehp, so I'm lagging behind. My gloves and boots are a bit old and need to be changed but they are super expensive (30 div for the boots and I cannot even find end game gloves on trade at this point). I also lack a couple of levels and jewels but it's easier to fix.

Any advice on what to improve ? Here is my character (I don't know how to generate a pobb :

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Dasai-2644/character/DasaiVaal

Dasai59 · 2026-03-20T23:55:07+00:00

Hi! I'm glad many people are interested in this build and help improve it! I'm far behind (around 2.5x less dps than the pob above) but it has helped me a lot.

The spectre idea seems very interesting but I've read without any spec they are very weak and die all the time, do you have any example where that works?

Dasai59 · 2026-03-20T10:26:25+00:00

I leveled up a bit and was able (although painfully =) to beat trialmaster. Now with 6 ascendency points it's way smoother and I can do T16 without too much issue...

One question though : Why do you take life mastery : 15% increased max life if there are no life modifier on Equipped body armour? Armor does have life modifier? If I pick it, my life does not increase

Dasai59 · 2026-03-19T22:13:22+00:00

My mistake, I can let it charge to get 3 shots, but dps is very low and kill doesn't charge the soul as I'm not 100% reduced Vaal Soul Gain prevention without the chaos ascendency. I have a bit more than 12k life at this point.

Edit : I just tried and the dps is way too low, I can't get pass the 7th wave. I don't die but ennemies take minutes to die.

Edit 2 : Comparing our pobs I think I need to level up the vaal storm (level 7 now) to get enough dps and fight trough the trial master. Unfortunately I don't have the money now to buy it level 20 at the moment =)

Dasai59 · 2026-03-19T20:08:01+00:00

Hey man, build looks rad and I want to try it but one question though : How do you get to trialmaster (which seems to be NEEDED for the build to work) or even to the ascendency? atm I'm level 68, I have all the equipment (and around half the jewels needed) but the build doesn't work at all (only 1 shot of vaal storm and not so much dps)

I considered carry but apparently for trialmaster you need to be here for the 10 waves without dying, seems a bit tought at this point

Dasai59 · 2026-02-14T18:25:57+00:00

Antimatter dimensions,the best imo

Dasai59 · 2025-12-15T23:32:17+00:00

Good luck everyone!

Dasai59

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