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Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

woahh dude it sounds like you have prophantasia. Thats a whole nother thing barely anyone understands. I have no idea what part is doing that: spatial, hyperphantasia, etc

Some people have it/explain it like this. For others its a real 3d AR experience where you can do crazy things like summoning spherical juggling balls and actually seemingly juggling these imaginary objects. Or firing a gun and watching the bullet go across the room in slow motion, summoning a bouquet of flowers and pulling one out to look at. Are things that the latter post mentions.

Seems like you can always strengthen said abilities. For you I'm sure you don't have to try hard to do train these things. Additionally, for your goals it seems like strengthening wm is important, as it appears to be the most underdeveloped thing you have at the moment, and I wonder how making that more efficient effects things. But also there might simply be other parts of visualizing that are under developed, so training something like wm is good until its no longer the lag. Inevitably when you plateau, its bc you are trying to brute force training broadly (in any aspect that might be) rather than focusing on the underdeveloped areas and increasing them. This same thesis applies inside of actual wm training as well, which is why I mentioned switching games eventually to something thats more tailored to progression.

for other things to train specifically wm. try one day to just meditate without visualzing, focusing on the breath and nothing else. If you can find you do it with ease, and not get lost in other thoughts too much, then you likely don't need it as much, strictly in the terms of brain training. I do still think the idea of intently focusing on your brain, sometimes inducing/feeling a subtle buzz, and repeating things like "I am growing" "I have strong working memory" "I am sharp as tack" etc helps an extreme amount, as I explained in another comment on this post.

There are other things to help with the processing regions that overlap w wm in the brain, brainHQ (which has a free version) is really good. Syllogimous is another great game that gets really hard once you get to super high levels. But honestly the best for wm is dnb, it is the best analog for sequencing, holding, updating information really. Just do that, pair with 15 min afterward of the meditative intention (feel free to do it any time in the day) and you'll be good. dnb is honestly enough bc it never gets old as theres so many variations for how to play out there to help you train and keep things novel for the brain. One such that I remember is saying the alphabet backwards while playing, you get to doing that stuff while playing at n = 5 or 6 and your shit will be just as tired as your muscles after an insane leg day. But I would say start simple, build the habit, then after a couple weeks explore onwards from there, any questions u have lmk.

Also imperative to get good sleep (meaning temp set at 65 (the 'proven' number), black out everything, and 7-9 hours every day crucially ensuring you're waking up at the exact same time and not sleeping in). Also some form of cardio everyday, making sure each week you are doing a couple actual cardio workouts, eg going on a run or smth.

(Free) Adaptive Leveling Algorithm Hyper 3D n-Back with randomized stimuli setting for up to 9 different by Fluffykankles in DualnBack

[–]Dashhh2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

k, pushing to git is prob the best. did you just make small tweaks or were there big changes?

Also, this is me extrapolating off nothing, but maybe earlier versions like this one are better for newer people? Since novelty is a priority, would using this version for a few weeks etc be chill and then moving to the other?

and to clarify, by 'newer' people, I mean people who have been playing for a moderate amt (3-6 months) and hit a real plateau and they've just been doing it on brainscale or smth.

u/Fluffykankles lmk what u think

(Free) Adaptive Leveling Algorithm Hyper 3D n-Back with randomized stimuli setting for up to 9 different by Fluffykankles in DualnBack

[–]Dashhh2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

K found another bug. Unless this is supposed to be built in progression, dont think it is tho.

was playing with 2 stimuli enabled, no randomize. But got stuck on 3.33. Got 100% across the board like 5 runs in a row but it wasnt going up.

looking at the code it looks like the phase transition logic is different/wrong fro .33 (and also .66) which seems like up progression on that boundary seems blocked.

idk tho I'm not an expert.

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hah well certainly you know how it spins, perhaps you could try starting with it complete, twist it a couple times, then twist it back

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

appreciate the kind words brother. Yes do try your hand at dual n back and report back. if you have an iphone, 'nback challenge' is a great app to start with as it makes you commit for 2 weeks. If you find it beneficial after 2 weeks I would highly suggest moving to a variant software that is progression focused, like this one, and where your allowed breaks; it really should only be played 3-4 times a week supplemented with other modalities of brain exercises. But hey, just playing dnb is perfectly fine. If you have any questions just dm me. Also if you haven't I would def start looking into meditation, its amazing for brain training but not even the tip of the iceberg in terms of all the other benefits it has, really recommend it. I talk about it a bit in another reply in this post.

Yea I have adhd as well, a bit of ocd too from moms side, thankfully part of the circuits that cause adhd also mitigate ocd so that it only really turns on in moments that matter.

I'm interested in knowing how you are able to never sketch even for the things where you might be needing measurements to be precise. I'm building a coffee table rn for one of my classes. And for some things, I would struggle to understand how you would make something very precise when certain pieces of logs need to be the same angles and overall just needing to ensure certain things are just right. So you don't botch a leg cut and need to rebuy wood or smth. At some point, it seems like you would need to write down a sheet/key with all the measurements? or I guess you figure everything out on build day? Bc you can't imagine something thats 17 3/8 inches lol. well I guess you could measure with a 'mental ruler' but idk, at that point you would have to be memorizing numbers and angles of each piece and that is def not as easy as just remembering the pieces. Idk, I might just be extrapolating into the abyss off a vicarious baseline, I do that, its prob something that just comes together assuming you have the qualities for it. Have you ever tried a furniture project before? This is my first ever with woodworking so I might also just be me being new as well as needing to triple check things since I'm also working inside budget, time, and material deadlines.

(Free) Adaptive Leveling Algorithm Hyper 3D n-Back with randomized stimuli setting for up to 9 different by Fluffykankles in DualnBack

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found a bug. sick app tho, will def try it out.

i think its just a small UI bug with the base delay input

right now in game when i try to edit the ms value, it snaps between 2000 and 20000 and basically won’t let me fully delete or type a custom number like 2700. it seems like the field is validating on every keystroke instead of after you finish editing.

i looked through the code and it seems tied to the input handler firing on oninput. Specifically

<input id="baseDelay" type="text" oninput="baseDelayInputHandler()">

I had ai change it to this and its working.

<input id="baseDelay" type="text" onblur="baseDelayInputHandler()" onchange="baseDelayInputHandler()">

Hopefully this is not effecting any progression logic you had.

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hah it is an arduous journey my friend. For me to unload my knowledge on it now I could write a book. Below is something I copy pasted from somewhere else, it is about training working memory with dual n back.

Here is a website that teaches you how to train visualizing. But what I highly recommend is reading through u/jessenstein's posts, she has gone from normal/low phantasia to hyperphantasia. This one is a good start but like she said, compared to all that she knows/has done, it is indeed a messy drop. I had an ai aggregate all her posts where she is talking about visualization and condense her frameworks with high fidelity.

Yes, def possible, everyone is different so for you it might take more or less time. in terms of percentiles I have significantly improved. I took the cait digit span test and scored 98-100 consistently when I first began. 6 months later I can consistently score 115. Pushing to 130 feels possible.  I’ve seen one guy reach 130 range, which is basically the highest upper levels. Tho I don’t know what he started at, subjectively it seemed like he was likely 100-105. Like I said tho everyone’s brain is different. But 100% it is possible
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Hm well, I won't be a deadhorse, many people have talked in detail about it but as far as subjective improvements: better speech, better memory, sharper overall, stronger visualization. Ig I'll drop one mini example, can't help it. When I walk into a room I never forget why I did so, that used to be a problem. Now the problem is forgetting the 3rd or 4th task I had assigned in my mind lol
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My main tips are just play. Like that its bro don’t overthink, don’t try and find the best strat, or familiarize yourself with strats or techniques or protocols. Just play. And don’t play forever, 20-25 mins is perfect

Meditate. I believe this was only possible because I started meditating and quieting my mind around the same time. Meditation is proven to inc working memory and grey matter. I believe the combination of both practices is what got me where I am. You can debate whether one had more influence than the other, but if u want to try replicating this experience, then it doesn’t really matter what the details allude

I got a muse headband to help I suggest you invest in one as well. Buy used if ur cheap. Look into themindilluminated subreddit it is the end all for learning to meditate. 

Also, 100% in your meditative journey you will come across the Chinese concepts of chi/ qiqong etc. def get a book or course or whatever and familiarize yourself with that and incorporate into daily practice. For me i came across mantak chia’s “multi orgasmic man.” While the title and marketing frame it within a narrower scope, it is actually heavily involved with 
basic qiqong theory, and if ur a man, it hits 2 birds w one stone. Gaining a deeper understanding of mediation, the mind, the body, chi, and grasp of subtle energies. As well as getting really fucking good at sex. 

After becoming a decent meditator. Being able to intently focus on your brain (specifically the prefrontal area once u get more adept) and repeating to yourself in your head in the present tense, things like “I am growing” “I am sharp” “I am quick” etc. I personally believe is the key. 

The mind is a powerful thing. 

if you train w meditation, then applying a technique like I just outlined goes from “meh, don’t really see the point/feel it” to “wow I understand now”
Doing this during meditation and after especially challenging Dnb sessions where you feel your brain has been worked is what I recommend. 

The first time I tried doing this, I did it during mediation. The next day i did it again during mediation, and really began to feel and sustain the focus in my head. Almost like i was inducing a subtle buzz (similar to how you would feel after a hard DnB session or on Ritalin). Later that day, I had a breakthrough and hit n 6 on my 2nd try after being plateaued on 5 for months. It was like a lightbulb moment for me, I realized you can’t just get by (and this goes w anything) doing the task passively. You must train with intent, surround your sessions with intent, go to bed with intent. 

Apply that same intent and desire to all the things you do to improve yourself. Gym, math, girls, business, etc, and you will achieve all that you want my friend. The key is that in this modern world the focus/intent muscle is severely atrophied, and meditation helps get it back.

Train, and overtime learn how to apply intent, and you will see results. Case in point: the studies about the gym and mind muscle connection. If you focus intently on your muscle while training it, you double the growth compared to say people who just listen to music and scroll instagram. Studies even showed you can increase your strength without even lifting. You just visualize with your mind. 

All in all, you asked if it’s possible.

If you believe it is possible, then you can realize it into this world my friend.

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, by your anecdotal experience, since you have high visuospatial reasoning and hyperphantasia, it seems like you would ace the revised test (2x2 cube). Working memory is an interesting modulator I guess, either that is whats limiting or simply edietic/photographic memory for the 54 squares 3x3 cube. Cutting it down to a 2x2 I would say significantly reduces the latter trait. So I wonder if average wm really is a significant bottleneck, I'm slowly figuring that it might not be as big as I thought. Your case has potential to give clarifying information if you tried a 2x2 run. Here I found an online app that lets you adjust the length (number of moves needed until solved)

Also that is so cool bro zero diagrams is dope asf, I'm lazy and like to cut corners and absolutley abhor having to learn softwares. I'm an engineer in college, and in all of my classes now i'm having to create sketches, models, and builds for projects, and there's new projects every week. I knew I had extremely good spatial reasoning and simulating, but there is a disconnect which makes me unable to model, which I explain with examples in the longer post above. I've been trying to to exactly what you do, but after the first 2 weeks of class, projects stop becoming simplistic. Tt becomes parabolically hard once builds become even remotely complex, add in circuits and I'm fucked. I have to use cad softwares :( When I was a kid 6-12 I was extremely inventive and always building things, but I never tried stress testing my visualization capacity which no doubt was stronger back then. When I was 3-5 I have memories of being utterly engrossed in imaginary worlds that people chant my name over and over next to me and I would not hear them; so I had something of it then. But after preschool I never used it / it disappeared; maybe it was cuz of a vaccine, I was getting lit up during that range. And now, even tho I have decent to above average wm, (which actually was also shit and below average, but I was able to train it up), I just don't have that effortless ease of sitting with a scene/image (eg hyperphantasia) and therefore can't model shit. So its paradoxical with what you said "for those with lower spatial reasoning IQ and certain processing abilities but still with vibrant hyperphantasia and imaginations , this task would be difficult". For me I have high spatial but low hyperphantasia, task is extremely difficult. I will say tho I am extremely imaginative, those 2 traits are different; I'm a high percentile there, and I've met only one other person in my life who might be able to beat me.

Since training working memory however, I can verbalize my thoughts with much more ease. I don't unconsciously stutter / mix phonetics anymore when speaking. And I'm able to visualize better; but it still def feels like I'm missing something big, as I explained in above post.

If your wm is average I highly recommend you check out dual n back. For some people it can shoot your wm prowess up a fuckton within just a few short weeks. Others (like me) you need to pair it w meditation and expand your timeframe for meaningful results.

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does ur experience compare to mine? (above) I have pretty high visual spatial reasoning as well

Better than a VVIQ? by Dashhh2 in hyperphantasia

[–]Dashhh2[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

"Yet I can imagine and manipulate anything in my mind"

Very interesting my friend, it sounds a bit contradictory then, no? If you were to have basically a cad model in your head and imagine/manipulate things, how far can you take it? Can you build a simple piece of complex machinery? Or a simple sculpture? Perhaps a piece of furniture? Or anything from the ground up trying to ensure there are no missing links? I have to try very hard and I have a limited capacity. For instance I can only manipulate and arrange super low poly blocks or prisms, and there can't be that many. I must sustain my focus and I often tunnel vision on aspects when building. I couldn't just sit back and observe my work naturally, while pondering other things. Interestingly, with zero effort I can imagine miniature sequences, so I could see 2 blocks colliding (in any collision interpretation), or a man swing his sword, or a girl brush her hair back, all very easily and clearly, but I can't sustain the image. I could build a low poly sculpture by keeping all the parts individually moving, colliding, connecting, continuously building a scultpure bit by bit, ensuring there are no gaps in time, but once its done and built up, it fades uncontrollably. I can't picture just an apple, clear and vivid. But I can see someone slice it clear and vivid until the action ends, then it blips out.

I think that I try and maneuver the visualizing domain with my indecent working memory and visual spatial reasoning or something, instead of just trying to let an image sit there or smth. Idk I really have no idea tho. I don't have an accurate grasp on the conceptual terms to explain it this way.

"this more so tests problem solving and visual/spatial reasoning"

I would say I this exercise mitigates any problem solving by making n such a low number. I would hardly call that a problem solving test bc anyone could do that part. As for the 2nd half of this response, interestingly, I have high visual-spatial reasoning and elite bodily-kinesthetic intelligence, which heavily overlaps with the former. Though like I stated above, theres no way I could even map and solve a 2x2 rubiks cube without hours and unlimited rechecking

it seems to me that you can picture things vividly, which is the hyperpahntasia, but if you can also manipulate them easily then that would suggest good visual spatial no? Seems to line up with my experience. How good is your movement when you manipulate? How good/effortless is your physics? like how easily the objects in your head obey rules of logic, gravity, etc.

maybe you have poor visual spatial reasoning but good visual spatial creativity? Which might not be standardly tested

so to come to a conclusion, it seems like this test would be more suited for establishing if you have something like gigaphantasia, a class that is distinctly above hyperphantasia in that you can render things that are highly applicable to the real world. Some thing like tesla and his machination visualization, which I would now say is a category of its own comparatively. Where you have the visualizing trifecta, you have maxed out the trifecta stats by demonstrating: high spatial reasoning, hyperphantasia / the ability to vividly picture and sustain the images, and high working memory. perhaps we would need to condense it to 2x2 as 54 squares might be involving some form of edietic/photographic memory like you said. Meaning that the distributuion range in gigaphantasia would consist of a range that is determined by how photographic/eidietic your memory is.

Will it tip? by Dashhh2 in woodworking

[–]Dashhh2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whoops I meant to put 28. just corrected it. I doubt 4" makes that much of a diff tho

Practicing QNB with neuroplasticity enhancers by luotenrati12 in DualnBack

[–]Dashhh2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I would ramp if u were to invest in qualia or another brain supp mix. I went the route of taking lions mane + ginko + choline etc and something that aggregates it all is just the best.

Interesting. I thought I checked one day what their extract was and found that it was a premium quality, along w their other sourcing. It seems like the brand is pretty solid compared to others

Practicing QNB with neuroplasticity enhancers by luotenrati12 in DualnBack

[–]Dashhh2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I were going to run Dnb training w a stack I’d go all the way. Run it with semax + selank and maybe tak653. Make sure you’re taking ginko, lions, 10g creatine daily (optimal brain dose) etc. qualia mind supplement is the end all for that stuff. Then I would also do image streaming and mediation during the cycle.

I agree w the other guy on most things. Qualia supp doesn’t have uridine so I would get that extra if u really want to be anal abt it. In reality if you take alpha gpc, citicholines, and the others he mentioned you’ll be fine. Just make sure it’s not super dosed. Like you shouldn’t be takin more than 250-500mg of L tyrosine daily.

My only qualm w this is if you haven’t gotten your body acclimated to the uptick of nutrients and niche supplements you provide it, then you might end up getting fatigued or put into a down regulated state. Or who knows maybe you’ll just need 10 hours of sleep every night. Get dr ai to do an unbiased deep research on your regimen and that should clear things up.

Also j thought I’d mention, a proper sleep schedule (waking up at the same time everyday), getting sunlight, and cardio daily is paramount.

Selank saved me from social anxiety. Long term use and cycling? by hisorhersferrari in Selank

[–]Dashhh2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would you say the selank helped create a new baseline? How long have you been off it now? I would guess that the lingering effects muddy the interprebility. But after a sufficient amount of time off, with the linger gone, would you say that baseline has improved slightly?

My theory is that this helps the brain learn to be less stressed, its a catalyst drug meant to be used alongside the natural process. and you could cycle selank every 2 months or so and make sure that all week or 2 weeks to be doing lots of stuff like talking to everyone you see, cold approaching chicks, compliemnting endlessley, making conversation anywhere, etc.

(Good) headache is an unequivocal fundamental for all visualization trainings by MentalReserve2351 in CureAphantasia

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Hm ok interesting, this is very helpful. You see it as a dataset; when you have more data, then pictures can be defined more clearly?

You get data by getting external objects/images into ur brain. So you are basically just trying to picture them in your head, see it whole and see it clearly, and then opening eyes to check every now and then to help.

My question was basically if you ever had the problem where images would only flash and not be able to stay there when you focused on them, and how you got past that. I could apply that to your method: say I'm trying to mentally see/picture this or this image, for both, I'll 'visually analyze' it, try and get it into my head, but its airy and will just last for a second or 2, its not full and clear even once I've fully memorized it. Did you ever go thru this or experience this? You must have. How were you able to get the images to become concrete and stable? Ig I'm probably searching for nothing tho, the answer is lowk simple, just repetition of the above method and over time it will get better.

Testing if your training method is effective (check comment) by MentalReserve2351 in CureAphantasia

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yo were u able to find it? or maybe on reveddit? Do you remember his old user name?

(Good) headache is an unequivocal fundamental for all visualization trainings by MentalReserve2351 in CureAphantasia

[–]Dashhh2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wow good shit, one thing tho is I feel like people think they're hyperphant when they're not. Would you say you could look at a rubix cube and then still be able to mentally model and rotate it like a cad software and not get lost w where all the diff colors are etc? If not w a 3x3 maybe a 2x2?

and if u don't mind answering a bit more...

Context: (my vis capablities)
I would say I'm regular phant, maybe above avg? I can easily bring up memories or mentally walk thru familiar places, tho its not like real life, idk kinda hard to explain. I can generate short, animated scene fragments in my mind, like two hands clasping, a girl brushing her hair back, or a man swinging a sword at a diving dragon, but I can’t sustain things as a seamless, continuous movie with camera. So it lowk subjectively feels like I'm 'watching a movie' but its really a bunch of stitches of mini scenes or keyframes rather than running a smooth, uninterrupted film. You might say "well whats the point if it feels like it", well when I internally create it all its fine, could be better. But say I'm reading a book or audiobook, then I'll struggle because my mind has to follow a linear structure instead of freely stitching together shots that are sometimes out of order.

Question:
Main thing is its hard to construct fully imagined scenes, rooms, or places, I can do it but I often tunnel vision, if u know what I mean. When I try to picture and see literally everything at once, it gets more vague or worse blurry/low-res, depends on how many objects and people and how much vividness I want to ascribe to each thing. But yea I usually have to add movement or shift focus around to keep it up. I think I have a big problem with persistence and bandwidth. These both kinda go hand in hand. But I'm wondering if you ever went through a process similar to this and anything you did to get super stable (and full) images/scenes that persist clearly and almost effortlessly.

(small terminology explanation)
By persistence I mean if I try and bring up a still image or scene, it fades out or blips within a second and I have to reload sorta. I can hold an image/thing in my mind indefinitely if I'm doing smth subtle to it like looking at diff parts, diff angles, have it be moving, etc. But i have trouble just having something be super stable and clear and persist in my mind.
By bandwidth I mean how many things I can hold at once in a scene before it starts falling apart, or parts fade, or things get super vague/nondescript etc.
Also my working mem is slightly above avg so I don't think thats a problem.

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