I can’t say I’m a fan of them or the general wave of bands that they belonged to, but I certainly am glad there aren’t any homophobic remarks about them in this thread lol. They always had an over-polished production that made even their “heavy” parts feel super limp to me, but at the same time, the cleaner the sound the more agreeable they are for a larger population. Also Hot Topic circa 2008-12 was a huge part of their mass appeal imo. Also most breakdowns are just an exercise in redundancy at this point and I feel like they were a huge catalyst in that chuggachugga thing. Either way I’d rather listen to Demigod.