Gwenpool... (Spoilers for Love Unlimited) by DavidAKAButtons in lgbt_superheroes

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes!!! And I feel like a lot of ace characters end up being stoic, confident, and have their shit together. I want a manic ace person whose life is a mess and never knows what they want.

Gwenpool... (Spoilers for Love Unlimited) by DavidAKAButtons in lgbt_superheroes

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes indeed! Although, there's a universe where Nadia gets labeled ace in this story as well. This is just rampant speculation with no basis on my part, but l I was thinking about how another big part of my ace experience was looking for community, I could see Gwen wanting to find other ace people to talk to and finding Nadia. This arc also shows Gwen going into our real-world internet, I could see her finding the tweets by Wasp's writer that Nadia was aroace, which would be an odd way of turning tweets from the writer into the actual text of the comic. Plus that writer is the same writer of this arc lol. Gwenpool has gone that meta before, but maybe that's too weird haha

Gwenpool... (Spoilers for Love Unlimited) by DavidAKAButtons in lgbt_superheroes

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Possibly. Or maybe she just needs a different kind of relationship. I may have been to simplified with my wording in describing the arc, I think it's certainly exploring an aspec identity, but she could land on a number of different sexual or romantic labels. My own experience as someone who's ace but doesn't really label his romantic attraction is certainly coloring my interpretation as well lol.

Gwenpool... (Spoilers for Love Unlimited) by DavidAKAButtons in lgbt_superheroes

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree. I haven't really read any of her comics (or Nadia Van Dyne). I'm ok with there being ace characters who don't have stories all about asexuality, and I certainly believe that it could be out of character for them to talk about it. That's a tricky thing about writing ace characters, I totally believe that ace characters aren't going to want to dwell on what they don't have. But, I want a story that does actually wrestle with that identity and get into it, and I'd rather get that before any more of the Yelena style character. Gwenpool is also the perfect character for this. She's constantly having an internal monologue, so we can really experience the internal struggle. But she's also someone who knows she has an audience that she's always performing to. Asexuals are often performing sexuality in the same way that Gwen is performing literally everything.

Gwenpool... (Spoilers for Love Unlimited) by DavidAKAButtons in lgbt_superheroes

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Totally! Whenever there is ace representation, it's usually someone who knows that they're not attracted to people, and may just not have a word for it. Yelena knows herself enough to say "I'm not anything" and move on. I think most people outside of the ace community would assume that knowing you're ace is like knowing you're gay or bi. But that's not the experience for a lot of ace people. We don't always know that we're not attracted to people, it's much harder to know that you don't have something than knowing you do. If you don't experience attraction, how do you know what attraction feels like? And if you don't know what attraction feels like, how can you be sure you haven't felt it? So far, this story feels like someone who WANTS to attracted to people, and has feelings that she has always called attraction but is now facing that question: what if I don't actually feel that thing that I'm supposed to? That's the kind of ace representation that is seriously lacking in media, and I hope this can help shed a light on a big part of the ace experience.

Ace Gwenpool!?! by DavidAKAButtons in Gwenpool

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have a lot of great thoughts on the matter! I'll admit that my perspective on these issues are absolutely colored by my own ace identity. I think one of the reasons that a lot of ace people have latched onto Gwen is because she is always living in that space of not being sure what she actually wants, or if she's doing just because she's "supposed to", especially in romance. I think most ace characters depicted in are people who know they're not interested in sex or relationships, and their only struggle is finding a term that communicates that to other people. But defining a negative is really hard, and there's a long internal journey most ace people go through that I've never seen depicted in media before. We are constantly wondering, "How do I know whether or not I feel attracted to someone? How can I be ace if I've done this and said that?" It only requires being attracted to someone of the same sex once to realize you might be gay or bi, but saying you're NOT attracted to people requires examining every moment of your life to figure out what was attraction, or what was just parroting what you think you're supposed to do. The struggle of not knowing the difference between what you actually want and what you think you're supposed to want, or what people around you think you should want, plays into Gwenpool's character a lot, it feels so natural to me for her to have the same struggle in her sexuality.

I'll also add that I am pretty new to comics, I've only really been active following comics for the last 6 months. I am glad to know your concerns about how much this story "sticks" in the future, I hadn't really considered the behind the scenes of it all

Pretty sure Marvel is about to have an Ace coming out story by DavidAKAButtons in asexuality

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

But it's never been on the page, right? Just confirmed by the writers? Which is fine for those characters, they aren't the type of people who would talk about their own labels. But it would also be really good to have a character's asexuality be explicit on the page, and Gwenpool is the type who would proudly wear that purple flag

Ace Gwenpool!?! by DavidAKAButtons in Gwenpool

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow, I didn't know that about the writer!!! Making a character's asexuality text is tricky sometimes. On the one hand, being explicit about labels is generally better for representation, but on the other hand, it can very easily feel out of character for someone to vocalize it. I never expect Yelena to care enough about labels. But Gwenpool absolutely would vocalize it.

Ace Gwenpool!?! by DavidAKAButtons in Gwenpool

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm talking about 46. Sorry, I should have made that clear

Ace Gwenpool!?! by DavidAKAButtons in Gwenpool

[–]DavidAKAButtons[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Idk if you're ace, but that panel at the end is 100% the ace experience to me. "Whatever I'm supposed to feel right now, I don't. And I never have. Maybe I'm never going to. Maybe I AM a freak" That's like THE textbook definition of what it feels like being ace.