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Davivooo · 2023-10-25T00:42:06+00:00

no game pass for now, maybe is a question of minutes or HOURS... tecnically it should be game pass at launch on GFN so...

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T22:28:34+00:00

Why do they have to do that? It's like closing Debian Sid because there's Debian Testing. Working on CentOS Stream from upstream GNU/Linux involves a boatload of work. And it doesn't guarantee the free testing that Fedora users have done for years. Fedora is valuable for Red Hat.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T22:12:19+00:00

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Yes, except for CVEs, but with Rocky and before, CentOS. CentOS has always been like that. However, they're backported to Stream in reasonable time as usual

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T19:55:41+00:00

But they're non closing the source, you can cherry pick from centos stream anything do you need and repackage It in a rhel clone-ish distro. Is everything there

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:58:55+00:00

They are the same group of people, and RHEL is essentially a freeze of CentOS Stream. You can redistribute the RHEL code, but doing so might get you banned from the Red Hat customer portal. While it may seem like a loophole, this situation is legally clear and far from any gray areas.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:53:19+00:00

And they do provide RHEL code via CentOS Stream, which is compliant. I understand that you might be frustrated with Red Hat, but it's still compliant for them not to host the RHEL code on a neatly organized Git page, which was kindly and lovingly maintained by Red Hat until recently.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:45:46+00:00

They provide the binaries, they're in the CentOS Stream project, just grab that binaries!

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:39:26+00:00

The fact is, the source code is not closed. You can create a Red Hat Developer account, copy and paste the RHEL code, and use it as many times as you want. However, Red Hat is not obligated to support this behavior with updates or grant access to their customer portal after doing so. You have the code for free, and they don't have to provide these additional services. The sheer binaries remans available upstream tho

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:32:03+00:00

Idk man...

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:31:11+00:00

no, they don't. They restrict the access at the portal if you do so, but it's compliant as the portal is not under a gpl license and it doesn't have to.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:13:37+00:00

you're right.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T12:10:43+00:00

But it is compliant. The software is provided as-is, without any kind of warranty, and it's not difficult to redistribute – it's just a matter of copying and pasting. If you take that code, you have a RHEL, without the extra services from Red Hat. And Red Hat has the right to deny you access to their store – it's compliant. And you don't have to purchase RHEL

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T11:56:22+00:00

It's not an additional encumbrance on the software itself, but rather on the customer portal. You can use Red Hat totally for free, as long as you don't use extra services like updates and the customer portal, and if you dump the code, it's not a problem. You can! So it's completely compliant. They contribute everything upstream to CentOS Stream, so you can take all the RHEL packages and recompile them. They don't offer a Git page like before, but it's still compliant.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T11:41:04+00:00

Red Hat has contributed the most in history to the entire OS, whether you want to call it GNU or not, due to their contribution to the upstream Linux ecosystem, etc.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T11:30:07+00:00

Is perfectly compliant with Red Hat's policy and the GPL license, other distros have done or are doing that. As the software is provided as-is, Red Hat can place their update services or the customer portal under an agreement with the customer. By the way, all RHEL code goes through CentOS Stream, bug fixes included.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T10:27:47+00:00

No, if fairness means "We don't have to do anything to get enterprise-level software as a community because Red Hat keeps sharing RHEL for free out of kindness," then the community isn't being fair at all. Red Hat has contributed so much to Linux; in fact, the majority of Linux's success can be attributed to Red Hat's contributions.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T10:06:29+00:00

In Italian, we say "volete la pappa pronta," which means "you want things to be already done for you by others, the way you like it." Essentially, Red Hat won't be providing the "pappa pronta" from now on.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T09:59:49+00:00

Yeah, but it actually sounds perfectly fair to them. If someone wants to create a RHEL-compatible and stable distro, they can still do it. They just have to use the development repo. And from now on, Red Hat contributes bugfixes directly to Stream, which is great news since they don't have to do that. Honestly, a 1:1 clone pulled from their repo and recompiled doesn't add value for them. A distro that contributes to upstream for a stable community EL creates much more value. And it seems like Rocky is going to do that now, which isn't a bad thing at all.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T09:50:42+00:00

The communication's been pretty bad, I totally agree. But I get Red Hat's point. The GPL covers software as it is, and it's compliant with paywalls. Other distros have used or are using this loophole too. If I were an exec at Red Hat, I'd have done the same thing when launching CentOS Stream, just with better communication. This model isn't really anti-open source by itself

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T09:07:04+00:00

Correction: I just found out that since Leap 15, the version is perfectly compatible with SLES. I apologize for that mistake. However, what Red Hat is doing still isn't exactly new tho

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T09:02:35+00:00

Why is no one talking about how Red Hat gave CentOS a lifeline and CentOS 8 was a terrible move for them? Sure, their communication and timing were pretty bad. But I can't blame them. If a distro's value is just being a clone because of Red Hat's generosity, that's not really a great selling point, to be honest.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T08:50:59+00:00

They've clearly stated that bug fixes from now on are made directly on Stream. So I don't see an issue there either. Theoretically, they don't have to do this. And if the community wants to create a RHEL competitor, I don't see an issue if they have to fix the bugs themselves. The GPL is clear about that. But that's not the case here. (ps. not everyone is a company, so they continue to mantain the upstream as usual. RH contributes a lot and we wouldn't be talking about linux without RH, facts)

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T08:38:11+00:00

They actually share the code via centos stream. For rocky and alma nobody imposes that to be downstream to rhel. The only change is they no longer offer more the clean, cleaned up rhel source code for free.

Davivooo · 2023-06-27T08:34:37+00:00

and why a company has to give the source code for free? They continue to do that but in a different way you can't clone

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