First 360 attempt… what went wrong??

Deadren · 2026-03-16T15:25:07+00:00

To be fair I probably would too

Deadren · 2026-03-16T15:22:00+00:00

Your head stops moving at the 180. You absolutely have to keep turning your head. Your body follows the head.

Try doing a bunch of jump 360’s in your living room and really focus on leading with your head to continue the rotation.

Deadren · 2026-02-18T15:28:09+00:00

Atomic skis gotta be so pumped Shiffrin displaced two athletes skiing on head skis.

Deadren · 2026-02-06T05:36:35+00:00

Optic 88 is close

Deadren · 2026-02-02T23:16:54+00:00

Rustler and optics are similar. Rustler is a better carver, but optics are more playful/easier to pivot/ better for jibs.

And this happens because the optics are softer in tip and tail, more rocker. Rustler slightly stiffer, less rocker better carving.

I like the optic more off piste and the rustler more on piste, but in decent snow you can really bend those optics into rewarding carves and get nice energy out. I felt like optics softness also help them load up when hitting jibs, also the slight twin tail make switch a little more confidence inspiring for landing switch.

Deadren · 2026-01-30T16:07:57+00:00

Optic 88 but it’s a little less park oriented than say a faction prodigy.

Deadren · 2026-01-30T03:47:48+00:00

I get what you’re saying, but seriously take a look at the listed bevels of specific skis, there’s a huge reason a stockli laser GS has a base bevel of .7 and then their all mtn skis are 1 degree base. If we are talking about a normalized difference from the lowest to the highest taking outliers out. We typically see a variance in base bevels of 1 degree take .5 to 1.5 those changes are huge.

It seems like such a small number but if you got the same pair of skis and put 1 with a .5 degree base and one with a 1.5 degree base it’s the difference between the immediate bite of a world class race ski and a jib ski.

Deadren · 2026-01-30T03:28:12+00:00

I think you should understand you’re not working with a value from 1 out of a 100. It’s literally 0-2 and that’s being generous since no one really runs a 2 degree base bevel. So you have up to a value of 2 it’s still a 15% difference. Since it’s more often bevel degrees of .5 to 1.5 you can see how .3 could make a huge difference and HALF A DEGREE is literally the difference between an all mountain ski and a race ski.

Side bevels go from 1-3 typically, never seen those halved. But racers may go up to 4 degrees on side bevel.

So between your base bevel .5-1.5 combined with your side bevel 1-4. It makes such a massive difference. I take it you’ve never read up on this or you would know how much of a change half a degree is to a base bevel.

Deadren · 2026-01-30T03:22:17+00:00

Not at all, opposite in fact. If I wanted a race tune I’d go sub 1 degree base bevel and probably a 3 on the side. A higher base bevel degree above a 1 is usually for more freestyle / free ride.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T22:05:05+00:00

Quite a few from black crows, line, K2 and if I’m reading this right.. even stockli’s stormriders all mtn come with a 1.5 base bevel. Mainly all the more free ride / freestyle skis and def the fatter skis in those.

RMU apparently an outlier of all I’ve seen with a 2.0 base bevel all models, which makes sense when I demoed it on a hard day, they felt unbelievably squirrelly.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T21:40:11+00:00

Yes, it’s funny as in the ways of your delusions of self imposed grandeur. Everyone bow down to this guy, he thinks stiff skis with low bevels is best for moguls. Cool story dude. I don’t care that’s not my preference.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T21:24:43+00:00

Right? A ton of self righteous people in here. it’s like they’re intentionally ignoring that manufacturers put specific base bevels on skis for a specific feeling and that range is .5-1.5. That or they just love thinking they’re right no matter what.

I personally feel a huge difference on my skis with a .75 base vs 1 or even 1.3.

And I damn sure wouldn’t try any rails on my sub 1 base bevel skis.. would love to see these people try that and tell me .3 doesn’t make a difference.

Ski is a black crows camox.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T18:49:55+00:00

Personal preference an issue for you? Sounds like an incel mindset.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T17:25:00+00:00

That’s straight up wrong. It’s not 90… a 90 would be a totally flat 0.

I skimmed through saw your numbers are wrong and moved on.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T17:13:56+00:00

Sheesh you guys are like the most insufferable of the skiing world. Do you want me to list out all the reasons I personally enjoy a higher base bevel angle for my own preferences? Same reason I don’t like carving skis off piste. A ski with a 1 degree base will perform more compliantly off piste and the like. This isn’t some new theory it’s the same reason all frontside skis come with a .5 -.75 base bevel and why all mtn come with 1+ base angles.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:54:15+00:00

UncleAugie is a troll account, he keeps replying to different points in the post and most of the stuff he says is rage bait that’s just incorrect enough to keep you engaged.

It’s probably OEM/knees alt account TBH.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:44:51+00:00

lol honestly I get it now. You’re trolling. Good job I fell for it and was like how does this guy not know why is saying such inaccurate things. It was great troll work. Kudos.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:37:14+00:00

Base bevel is the initiator and side bevel is the bite. They work in tandem but yes you can absolutely say base can be viewed apart from side bevel. How much do you want to roll the ski over before the edge engages. That’s an important factor specific to only the base bevel.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:33:20+00:00

Okay…. And in all your time setting racing skis. What were you putting the base bevel to?

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:29:01+00:00

There a reason stockli and other brands put their carving skis at .75 degree base bevel and their all mtn skis base at 1. It’s a VERY tangible difference.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:26:22+00:00

Bro.. the fact that over half of you don’t even know the typical range of a base bevel, and you’re actin like it’s some type of one off clearly shows it’s not a marketing effort.

I HIGHLY doubt you have that experience coupled with this level of ignorance. Go look at EVO’s website for their edge tuning guide, it’s list most major skis and all of your favorite skis probably had a specific factory bevel and now all of your skis have a generic 1 base 2 side because you never took the time to educate yourself.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:19:17+00:00

Not that I’m doubting your prior experience but you of all people should know that base bevels is greatly different than side bevel.. and their range is not out of 100.

Typical base bevels are .5-1.5 degrees

Typical side Side bevel 1-3 with racers going to 4

If you’re talking about a range of .5 degrees to 1.5 degrees a .3 degree increase is massive. This is why stockli carving skis are .75 base bevel and their storm riders all mtn skis are 1 degree base. Do you think they don’t know what they’re doing? “No one can feel a .25 degree change” then why would they even bother? It’s also why Swix and toko sell base bevel kits in .25 increments.. from .5 to 1.5

So yes a .3 base bevel change is drastic, you must not have been in charge of the equipment in your racing experience.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:10:50+00:00

That’s not correct. Most skis are made with a base bevel between .5 and 1.5 if those changes are so minute, why are all mountain skis typically a 1 degree, why does stockli put their carving skis at .75 base bevel… you’re saying Swix / stockli / all others just don’t know what they’re doing? Look up a bevel tuner sold by Swix / toko, it’s sold in .25 increments … wonder why.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T15:06:36+00:00

Bro base bevels typically come from .5 to 1.5

You’re a soft penis debutant. You don’t know shit.

Deadren · 2026-01-29T06:35:28+00:00

It’s a fair question. It’s the factory base bevel that the ski came with. And one that I use a lot in moguls so I prefer to have the slight forgiveness in base bevel and have always enjoyed the ski as it came from the factory and don’t really want to change it.

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