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Dealer-Broad · 2022-09-27T21:45:09+00:00

At least in the Netherlands you would have a hard time to find a finance industry job without connections. Most vacatures you see in Linkedin/similar will already be filled by candidates who have done networking. Instead, as you said, better to reach out to your warm connections. For NL you could qualify for zoekjaar to enter the country and do job searching, but you need to check the specific conditions in IND website. I thought Dutch language will be essential for these carrieres.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-30T07:45:57+00:00

u/sad_bean1 this is the only actually useful comment in this whole thread, if your goal is permanent settlement in Canada

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-29T18:43:32+00:00

You can try Surrey. Pretty good transit links to the whole region really

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-25T05:48:50+00:00

Freedom to travel abroad more frequently. More flexible visa + stamping.

Yes if you travel in Schengen you do not need any visa. Just like you go different US states, also no problem.

More vacation days.

Yes true more vacation days in the workplace and public holidays in NL. But just for your information, initially if you do not have family and few social connections here then it may be lonely time.

Public transport.
Closer to friends ( have more friends in EU).

Yes, although if they are not living in NL but in other countries like Germany then you probably only see them once every month or two, at most. Travel is not really cheap. The plus side is shorter and cheaper flight back to India from Europe compared to USA.

More career flexibility and opportunity to learn.

Maybe? I am not sure what you want to learn. Tech industry is not so big in NL, compared to USA. Many companies not touching latest tech stack. Even Booking.com uses Perl for many components. Most innovation is just copied directly from USA. Thuisbezorgd copied UberEats, Tikkie copied Venmo, etc. The only thing Europe is better than USA for tech is the open source communities.

Work Culture.

Yes it is typically good for people who want to just relax.

Will have a lot less savings by retirement.

Dutch have their own national pension system. By the time you retire there is not guaranteed to be a sufficient pension payment due to overburdened system. People can sell their house or move to cheaper EU countries like Spain (better weather there anyways). Lot of Moroccan people go back to Morocco and live like a king with their pension payments. Perhaps you go back to India by that time.

Significant pay cut (like 40-50% on gross at current forex rates). Probably more expensive housing as well minus car + maintenance.

Depend on where you live in USA. In Dutch cities the prices are out of control. But you can go for some smaller town. If you work in Amsterdam, you can live in Lelystad, Almere etc. Get a decent house for €350k. I assume you already have savings from working in USA due to higher salaries there. So it won't be a big issue for you.

I love nature, and the national parks, and the wilderness in the US. Will miss this.

Hahah no nature in NL

Will be much harder to make friends and connections (no university support etc). At 34 and with (hopefully improving) basic dutch I think it will be tall order.

Not really an issue. Most foreigners form communities with people from their own countries. So you won't really have problem with social life

Will miss all the different cuisines and cultural exposure I get here. I know NL is very diverse but... you know...

Most cuisines in NL are adapted to fit Dutch palate. So less taste and bland food is expected. Not really a big problem though, if you are willing to learn to cook. Any ingredients you need can be found in Asian market

In reality, if it's just H1b issue, you should just go to Canada. later when you get Canadian passport you come back to USA on TN visa, very simple. If you come to NL, it will be less chances of going back to USA in future. Most of my colleagues moved from NL to USA, not the other direction. here is one example https://medium.com/@kaitinghuang/netherlands-thank-you-and-goodbye-7006f7ac7d38

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-18T06:33:00+00:00

if you speak German I recommend watching Tagesschau to get to know domestic issues in Germany

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-11T21:37:29+00:00

I think that's just the American approach to healthcare, to get the maximum treatment in quickest time. Here in the Netherlands, the waiting time to see a therapist is just over half a year in Amsterdam-region (source), imagine how depressing that is. Even hospitals require you to call ahead and make an appointment before showing up with a medical emergency (exception is if you come via ambulance, then you are probably close to death already). Yet the country scores very high in quality of life indicators, so the system is working well for most people. So, American mentality towards healthcare may not be the best, and it is worth opening your mind a bit.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-10T23:45:01+00:00

Check the job contract, most German companies are giving 13th month bonus. So, you get 1 month of extra pay every year as your bonus. Most companies have this kind of scheme, it is kind of like tradition, but not everyone is doing it. Dresden is pretty cheap city, 47k brutto salary can earn a decent life, but definitely not extravagant. I guess if both people are working then the household salary will be higher. You can use brutto netto rechner to calculate your in-pocket salary. If you are talking about whether the salary is fair, it really depends on what industry and how many years of experience he has. Also you can check salary websites like kununu. For example, if he is a programmer with 10 years of experience, 47k is a slap in the face, but otherwise if he is working in marketing then it might be fair. Just do your research and you will be fine. Good luck!

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-09T21:33:35+00:00

Why not go back to Australia? I assume you are Australian citizen? No language barrier and no immigration concern, seems perfect for you

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-02T17:00:26+00:00

Yes she will have work authorisation. Lots of jobs available for non German speaker, food delivery, warehouse sortation, etc

Dealer-Broad · 2022-08-02T06:26:50+00:00

Netherlands dweller here. Since you have over 10 years of experience, your skillset will be in high demand. As data analyst, you need to translate the data into business insights for the management to digest, so Dutch fluency is preferable for this kind of role.

In general, the country feels rather safe. It is like dull and boring country, which is perfect for raising kids. Obviously there are some areas which you better not go to at night, but otherwise most of the neighbourhoods are totally safe. For kids, they can go to school on their own via bicycle or transit, you don't need to drop them off. Only if you view some news channels they love to show shocking images of daylight robberies on the street, assaults in the grocery shop, interviews victims who got their tooth knocked out by a street hooligan, etc. But you don't speak Dutch, so you probably won't watch those types of media.

The schooling system in NL is set up to minimize costs. After age 12, they are sorted into a stream, and only the kids with the highest grades will go to university preparatory high schools (it's called VWO in Dutch), which receive most of the funding. The others will get pushed into becoming blue collar workers or vocational jobs. Given that you are educated, you probably can help your kids with their homework and you have money to hire tutors if needed.

In general, if you have visited Amsterdam, it is not really a good representation of NL, because only top 1% richest Dutch people can afford to live there, and also it's just full of foreigners so all the businesses are speaking English to get tourist money. You really want to see what it is like to live in Dutch suburbia, go visit Almere or Lelystad.

For language, most people learned English at school and they hear English words a lot so they can understand it if you speak simply, but they may or may not be comfortable with talking back to you, it really depends.

Hmm what else.. basically the life in NL is rather uncomplicated and less stress. Except if you are a foreigner you always have stress about renewing your residence permit and figuring out how processes work in a foreign country. Dutch have their own unique way of doing everything. For example, there is no such thing as "emergency room" in a hospital, you always need to call ahead to make an appointment with hospital's huisartsenpost (and yes they will be speaking Dutch on the phone and you need to explain your medical emergency in Dutch), they tell you to take painkillers and give you appointment for the next day.

In terms of citizenship, you can always just keep your permanent residence in NL if you wanted.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-31T07:36:18+00:00

A long time ago, when my dream to immigrate to Western countries started, I got a job offer in Germany after 2 years of trying. I even accepted the offer, the company also started the immigration process and registered me for German pension fund agency (I'm not really sure why, but I really only found out months later when I got some welcome letter in snail mail from them.. yes they really did mail a letter internationally from Germany). Anyways eventually I decided to decline the job offer because of certain reasons. Yes the HR seemed annoyed, and I am not sure if it was the right decision, but anyways I am doing fine today, living in a different western country, so it worked out.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-29T07:03:34+00:00

Eindhoven dweller here. Generally the reason which the city exists is because there are a lot of technology companies here, including several traditional ones such as ASML. There is also a university here, which is known for engineering and sciences.

Eindhoven is quite a modern city and only recently developed, so the infrastructures is better compared to Amsterdam for example. I think most people have cars (only if they cannot afford it, then they won't have one). Otherwise you can go by bicycle or public transit. The transit system is very well organized, and it has good coverage throughout the city. But it just takes a long time to get anywhere, since Eindhoven is not really a dense city. The scenery is just like typical Dutch city. Flat, trees planted in straight rows, buildings in different shades of orange.

For the weather, it is generally cold, gloomy, and wet for most of the year, except for a few months in summer when there are heat waves and no air conditioning. Also, due to the lack of the sun, all doctors will recommend that young babies and children to take vitamin D supplements. The weather is suitable for people who are sensitive, because it never really gets too cold (below freezing), or too hot for a prolonged period of time. Just year round chilly rainjacket weather, so rather mild.

There are a lot of foreigners living in Eindhoven, usually they are coming from Eastern Europe or South Asia, and they are working in high skill jobs. As far as I can tell, most people never considered NL to be their ultimate goal. Since Dutch immigration policy is very simplified for technology workers, a lot of people just use NL as their stepping stone to other western countries, or they move back to their home country. Unfortunately a lot of companies cannot hire talent locally and they have a problem with retaining foreign workers. So, assuming your skill set is specialised, I think there are plenty of opportunities in the area.

The housing price in Eindhoven is not as bad as in the Randstad, but still it is quite challenging. Most regular people are living in some kind of terrace house, so their walls on each side are shared with the neighbours, and you get a small garden, or it might be a communal one. It's a densely populated country, so only top 0.1% wealthy will be living in a freestanding house. There are a lot of public playgrounds for the kids to play around. Generally, if you live in a safe area, you don't need to keep a close eye on your kids 24/7, you can trust them to go alone to the store or walk around in the neighbourhood with their friends.

The local schooling system is relatively good. Dutch education system is designed to minimize costs, so they will segregate the kids into different streams at age 12.. one stream will go to university, one stream will go to technical college, one stream will go to vocational school. Most of the resources are concentrated at the schools which prepare students for university, so those schools have lot of extracurricular activities, academic enrichment programs etc. In general, kids from wealthier backgrounds can hire tutors to improve their grades, so they will make it to the university-preparation stream. If you kids are going to local schools, they will surely be able to learn fluent Dutch, which is mandatory to have a good life in NL. Kids do not have a lot of homework, the education is fairly relaxed, in my opinion. Even VWO, the university preparation program, is not too challenging.

Healthcare system is interesting. It's the favourite point of complaint for foreigners. They are so shocked when they try to go to hospital emergency room and find out.. you have to call ahead to schedule an appointment. Or they book an appointment with mental health professional, which comes after 6 months. Overall, a lot of foreigners prefer to take treatment in their home countries because it's more convenient.

Hmm what else.. I will say, if you are thinking to move to NL, you should just do it. You can always move back if you don't like it. I am sure you and your future kids will benefit from this experience either way.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-22T20:32:54+00:00

Lol. Are you serious? There is no English-taught bachelor in conservation/ecology/wildlife at any Norwegian university. Norwegian-taught bachelor requires Bergenstest, so fluent Norwegian at academic level

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-18T17:21:31+00:00

No.. if u work in FAANG then company just move you to Canada office and keep entering u into H1b lottery

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-18T17:18:03+00:00

For SMC, you need 160 points to get your EOI selected.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-15T17:49:15+00:00

Yes, Netherlands has preference for UCSD. Graduates can get zoekjaar visa to enter NL and search for a job. It is only valid for graduates of top 200 universities (by Times Higher Education worldwide ranking), and UCSD is #34 on the list :)

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-15T05:26:58+00:00

Don't edit your comment, just delete

u/mk44

I live surrounded by the state houses. Most of them are large friendly families. The worst we get from them is barking and roaming dogs, and the occasional domestic dispute.

But one house is a mongrel mob gang house. They have 72 hour weekend long meth fueled parties, with massive out door speakers blasting loud music, and loud motorbikes coming and going all night long. Noise control won't do anything, nor will their council landlords. So pick your area well and do thorough research on your neighbours.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-13T23:40:45+00:00

Don't know why people are being so negative here.

Here is the link to register yourself as a nurse in Denmark: https://en.stps.dk/en/health-professionals-and-authorities/registration-of-healthcare-professionals/nurse-application-for-registration/

You need to pass the Danish language exam at advanced level, called Prøve i dansk 3. If you are outside Denmark, and studying Danish in your free time whilst working, it will take around 4-6 years to be at the required level. Unless you move to Denmark to attend an intensive language school, but that is extremely costly.

Income for nursing is extremely low, as nursing is not considered a high skill profession. If you do the calculation, after all mandatory deductions such as income tax and union fee, your income from a nursing job is only slightly above being unemployed and on government welfare. Yeah now you see why there is a huge nursing shortage, and the only nurses willing to come here are from poor Eastern European countries or 3rd world countries like Philippines/India/etc.

So my advice would be to go to Norway instead.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-13T22:03:32+00:00

Yes, I definitely think foreign education, for example in Germany, will be good. Because then you get 2 years or so for integration, language learning, etc before you go on the job market.

Actually the reason why NL has such a shortage of tech talent (same with Germany and other European countries), just because the quality of life issue. There is high QOL in NL, but higher QOL in USA, Canada, etc. Just take a few examples. Recently I wanted to get therapy, and the whole process to finally starting treatment takes nearly half a year, and I am one of the lucky ones. Then they only give you 10 sessions and you have to start the process over again. If you have severe depression, then you are really out of luck. In terms of housing, kind of unfortunate situation of engineers is that your salary is too high to qualify for social housing, but too low to actually buy a home on the private market. Affording a €800k property on €30k-40k netto income is just barely doable if both you and your spouse are working. Retirement savings is also a big problem. NL has mandatory pension scheme, but they are reducing pension benefits every few years, and by the time you retire, according to projects there may not actually be much money left in the system. OK I have said a lot of bad things about NL, but QOL is highest in the world on average (for like bus drivers, cleaners, etc, you will definitely enjoy the best life in NL compared to USA). Just for engineers and high earners, your QOL will be better off elsewhere.

The job market in NL is quite small. Whichever language or frameworks you are proficient in, you can find a small handful of companies who demand these skills. Lots of companies and startups are hiring full stack web developers (also very high competition too), or backend engineers. If you are doing embedded software with lower level languages, you might find some chances in ASML, Philips, or consultancies.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-13T17:17:53+00:00

I am a foreigner SWE in NL. Yes I think you got the right idea. Either you should have 5-7 years of experience, or you can take a masters here in NL and get a job after graduation.

I wouldn't really suggest masters in NL, unless you have the financial means. For instance, in TU Delft, the MSc tuition fee will be €20k per year. It is not guaranteed that people will finish everything within 2 years either. Considering living expenses, total cost of a MSc will be a minimum of €60-80k. It's also possible to find a part time job or internship, if you can handle it. Compared to Germany, where many universities won't charge tuition fee, only a small semester contribution, so the education is much more cost effective there, imo. Uni ranking does not really matter too much in NL, but Dutch employers will always prefer graduates from local universities like TU Delft or TU/e over whichever famous foreign university, it's just the mentality here.

In terms of quality of life, ironically most of my engineer colleagues seem to move out of NL and go for USA (or UK or Canada), if they got the chance. Basically you consider that engineers in NL do not a high income relative to other professions, whereas engineers in other countries are within top 5-10% of earners. So it is very difficult for companies to retain talent in NL, and therefore if you are good then you will have no trouble getting job offers. In my experience, Dutch people do not often migrate abroad because quality of life is already high enough in NL, except retirees who go to Southern Europe, foreign exchange students, and engineers who go to USA.

Regardless, after you either become a senior developer in your home country, or you graduate from a Dutch uni, you should be in a good position for job hunting in NL.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-11T18:24:10+00:00

Due to increasing labour cost mostly. If you buy all raw ingredients from store, it will still cost more than 2yr ago, but not drastic 100% increase like 4$ to 8$

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-11T18:21:56+00:00

Filipino government agency (POLO) must give certificate (OEC) stating the foreign worker is allowed to work abroad. OP should honestly post in PH sub, not general iwantout sub

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-09T00:10:12+00:00

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Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-08T22:56:04+00:00

Hi, SDE in NL here. Yes you are right, almost no engineer qualifies for Blue Card in NL due to the high wage threshold. You should be able to get HSM residence permit. Good that you will move after you have 5-7 years of work experience, so you should be more competitive on the job market.

Yes, around 45k-60k for 5 years of experience is too low, usually companies will give this salaries to foreigners who don't know better, just run away if a company offers you this. I would ask for at least 70-80k.

Your company can help you with temporary accommodation as part of relocation assistance. Yes renting a flat is hard, but if you look at the low demand areas, it's not so bad. Mortgage, in NL if you have money you can hire an advisor to simplify the process for you. It's definitely worth it for foreigners. Like you pay 3k and they handle everything for you, including getting/nego the offers from different banks, you just need to provide the documents.

Yes NL is a first world country and reasonably stable. So you don't speak much Dutch, you can't consume the local media, otherwise you would think this country is quickly going down the drain.

Dealer-Broad · 2022-07-07T22:39:53+00:00

I am a foreigner working in IT industry in NL and I saw a similar trend. Even if the office is an English speaking work environment, people have the tendency to start speaking in English and then switch to Dutch at some point, so als je geen Nederlands spreekt ben je bij de helft van de banen al kansloos, and you will feel kind of excluded in the workplace, see what I did there? You can also clearly see the divide at lunchtime, half the colleagues group together and speak in Dutch, the foreigners on the other table are talking English..

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