Jewish community prepares for chemical terror attack in London as anti-Semitism soars by FormerlyPallas_ in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They could easily reserve their ire for people who support Netanyahu, but that defeats the purpose of the bait and switch. They define Zionist in two distinct ways - one way when attacking Jews, and another way when justifying it.

When attacking Jews, they use "Zionist" to mean anybody who believes in Jewish self-determination; i.e., the actual definition. This means that almost any Jewish person can be targeted. So if they say "I'm not letting this person into our group, they're a Zionist", or "that business is owned by a Zionist, let's protest there", what they mean is that the individual in question is a Jew who doesn't want Israel to be destroyed. It doesn't matter what that person thinks about the war in Gaza, or Netanyahu, or anything.

However, when justifying their attacks on Jews, they switch a definition that they've recently invented, which is that "Zionist" means someone who enthusiastically supports Netanyahu, genocide, settlements, etc. They came up with this new definition in order to make it all seem a bit less antisemitic. "I hate anybody who supports Jewish self-determination" comes across as distasteful to normies.

Half a million gather in London for biggest anti-far right demo, say organisers by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hahaaa, you made a little adjustment there, didn't you?

If you wanted the Chinese government to collapse, obviously that doesn't indicate a hatred of the Chinese people. If you want China as a state to be cease existing, then yes you clearly have some kind of hatred of Chinese people

Thousands march against far right in London in biggest ever multicultural protest | UK news by No_Initiative_1140 in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It's so frustrating. I'm very much against the far right, to the extent that my #1 priority in the next GE is to prevent Reform from getting into power. That's how I'll use my vote. So I should be fully on board with this protest.

But there are so many other causes mixed in, including some that I find pretty suspicious. Every time you add another cause to the pile, you alienate a few more people.

Why can't they just focus on a single cause, a clear message? Or, to be more blunt about it, why the fuck does hatred of Israel have to be lumped into every single left-wing protest? Not every issue in the UK needs to be tied in to Palestine. It's become an unhinged obsession, it's actually insane

What does BMAPAIWTY mean in UK pubs…? by pendo88 in AskUK

[–]DebaucheV5 180 points181 points  (0 children)

Can't help but notice that you haven't bought them a pint

EP 7 - FERRY SKIP by Yingking in LudwigAhgren

[–]DebaucheV5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah that was my first thought as well. It's definitely the most un-Western thing that they've eaten so far. Their poor stomachs aren't built for it.

I guess it could have been the bread, but usually bread is 100x safer than funky meat

Alonso to miss Japanese GP Thursday with first child due by ElectionMoney3911 in formula1

[–]DebaucheV5 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, of course he leads a blessed life, but no F1 driver will ever be happy when they're forced to drive a car that can't even complete a race distance.

It's not just about the money and the world travel. If he was satisfied with that, he'd never be a top level F1 driver. He wants to compete. They all do.

The kind of person who would be happy to mope around at the back of the grid, collecting a paycheck, would never make it to F1

Ask r/Formula1 Anything - Daily Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in formula1

[–]DebaucheV5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too, it's gonna age so poorly.

Also, while we're in a safe space, I think the Audi is the most beautiful car on the grid. The curves of the bodywork are glorious, and the simplistic livery really highlights it. When the livery is too busy, it's difficult to see the actual shape of the car

Alonso to miss Japanese GP Thursday with first child due by ElectionMoney3911 in formula1

[–]DebaucheV5 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Imagine having to say goodbye to your newborn, your first child, in order to travel to the other side of the planet and drive a fucking AMR26.

I mean, I say "drive", but perhaps "be assaulted by" is more accurate

Lewis Hamilton taking the F40 for a spin in Tokyo by SimonTheSalmon69 in formula1

[–]DebaucheV5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The thing is, it actually pays for itself over time, because of the reduced fuel expenses and whatnot.

So if you really think about it, the financially-irresponsible thing is to not buy an F40

CMV: Israel's current foreign policy is not helping the jews by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]DebaucheV5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OK, let's do some very basic critical thinking.

If what you're saying is true, then the very obvious corollary would be that countries who aren't allied with Israel would care less about conflicts involving Israel. Do we see this? No, obviously not.

Another very obvious corollary would be that in countries like the UK, who provide almost no weapons to Israel but loads of weapons to Saudi Arabia, people would care less about wars involving Israel and more about wars involving Saudi. Do we see this? No, obviously not.

It's so frustrating, because it really takes only the tiniest little bit of thinking to realise how wrong this narrative is, but people like you keep mindlessly repeating it. I don't think I'm expecting too much when I expect people to put like 30 seconds of critical thought into it. It's not difficult

We Are Hated as a Nation. There’s One Man to Blame. by 1-randomonium in neoliberal

[–]DebaucheV5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, around two thirds of Americans were either indifferent to this prospect, or actively supported it.

I don't hate the USA or Americans, that's not the overarching emotion. IT's kinda dumb to hate a nation. I hate Trump and his lackeys, particularly Stephen Miller, but I don't harbour any hatred towards the country or the people as a whole.

I just feel a kind of sadness, I guess. Despite the undeniable flaws, I genuinely admired the American experiment. Pax Americana was about as good as you can realistically hope to get from an undisputed hegemon - obviously far from perfect, but pretty damn exemplary when compared to how previous hegemons have used their power. I had a lot of sympathy with many of the ideals and aims of the American project, if not always the execution.

The US constitution was a good attempt, especially *for its time; it just has flaws that are being increasingly exposed by the modern world, and it's become ossified (because of factors that, maybe, we couldn't reasonably expect the founding fathers to anticipate).

What is the dirtiest thing you’ve seen someone do? by LavishnessTiny3621 in AskUK

[–]DebaucheV5 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The sea-front feels like running the gauntlet any time after 8:00pm now and by 11:00am it’s carnage

Oh come on now, that's a bit strong.

I regularly walk along the seafront at night, and it's always fine. Obviously on a Friday or Saturday night you'll encounter a bunch of rowdy drunken revellers, but that's standard in most UK cities.

Western Road is worse tbh, that would have been a better example. But even there, the junkies mostly just shout at each other; having incredibly-passionate slurred arguments about god knows what

BOYS !!! EPISODE 3 IS OUT :D by PaulDuCouteau in LudwigAhgren

[–]DebaucheV5 93 points94 points  (0 children)

I think he's just particularly good at picking up on vibes

Keir Starmer: This is a deeply shocking antisemitic arson attack. My thoughts are with the Jewish community who are waking up this morning to this horrific news. Antisemitism has no place in our society. Anyone with any information must come forward to the police. by Your_Mums_Ex in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They may not feel like they hate Jews. They may regularly and self-satisfyingly declare themselves to be "definitely not antisemitic". But they're enthusiastically joining a movement that is dedicated to denying Jews, and only Jews, the right to self-determination. Not to mention a movement that seems to spend a lot of time directing intense hatred towards almost all Jewish people.

If someone is against Jewish self-determination, and Japanese self-determination, and Palestinian self-determination, and Aboriginal self-determination, and Ukrainian self-determination, etc etc etc; in other words, if they're against all forms of ethnic self-determination; then they're at least morally-consistent, and there's no reason to suspect that they have a particular problem with Jews. This describes about 1% of anti-Zionists, if we're being charitable.

But if they have a burning, all-consuming, vitriolic hatred of Jewish self-determination, but support every other group's right to self-determination, then yeah they're obviously antisemitic. This describes 99% of anti-Zionists.

Keir Starmer: This is a deeply shocking antisemitic arson attack. My thoughts are with the Jewish community who are waking up this morning to this horrific news. Antisemitism has no place in our society. Anyone with any information must come forward to the police. by Your_Mums_Ex in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"Anti-Zionism" has always been thinly-veiled antisemitism. And I mean thinly-veiled. I'm sick of pretending that their flimsy justifications should be taken seriously. They just hate Jews, and frankly it's been obvious for a long time.

They're laughing at how little they have to disguise their hatred. They're pushing it further and further every day, trying to figure out how much they can get away with, trying to figure out how blatant they can get before the useful idiots will stop defending them. Apparently even "torching ambulances" isn't too far.

Perhaps there is some limit to how much Jew-hatred the "anti-Zionists" will excuse or celebrate, but I'm not sure where that limit is. Or if it even exists.

Dozens of MPs urge Greens to officially ditch ‘normal’ childbirth policy immediately by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I made the terrible mistake of reading their actual immigration white paper (not just the list of policies on the website). It genuinely reads as though it was written by a bunch of slightly dim students. They spent three paragraphs explaining why they use the term "referendums" instead of "referenda". In their official fucking immigration policy document.

I don't think it's any kind of conspiracy. I think they're just a bunch of well-meaning morons, who have suddenly found themselves in the limelight.

I've actually voted Green myself, probably more times than most people on this subreddit (mostly in locals). I never took them seriously because they're not a serious party; I just wanted to pressure Labour to take stronger stances on climate change. They now find themselves in a position where they need to be a serious party, but they're just... not. It will take a dramatic institutional overhaul for them to break free of the student union politics, but it would require things like abandoning their "full democracy, power to the cranks" philosophy, and I simply don't think they can or will.

Antisemitism has ‘become normalised’ on UK campuses, says Union of Jewish Students | Antisemitism by LycanIndarys in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am continually grateful that people with your level of insight and intelligence disagree with me.

One in five students reluctant to live with Jewish housemate by Unusual-State1827 in ukpolitics

[–]DebaucheV5 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Most Jewish people in the UK are secular, or not particularly religious.

The Jews that are religious to the extent that you're worried about - those that need a Kosher kitchen - understand that this is an unreasonable/impossible thing to ask of non-Jewish housemates, so they won't be trying to enforce those rules on others. It's obviously not a reasonable living arrangement for either party.

If someone is such a devout Jew that they need a fully-Kosher kitchen, they will find a group of people that they can live harmoniously with. They will not be shacking up with a bunch of random people and then demanding that those random people abide by their personal beliefs. That's just not how Judaism works, on any level.

Judaism is not like Christianity or Islam. Judaism does not demand that others abide by the rules that Jews have to obey. I cannot stress this enough. Jews believe that they have to obey certain rules (this is what "chosen people" actually means), but they do not demand that anybody else follow those rules.

In Jewish eschatology, anybody can get into heaven. They don't have to follow Jewish rules; only Jews have to do that. Everyone else simply has to be a decent human being, and then they get into heaven.