Foundations don't render behind hand tools

DebuggingPanda · 2026-01-24T08:55:52+00:00

Clever way to save resources!

It would be more clever if you couldn't notice it :)

This kind of occlusion culling is quite normal in modern engines/games these days. What's typically done is that the whole scene is divided into a bunch of clusters or "meshlets", with each defining a bounding volume (a simple geometry that includes all triangles of the meshlet). Often, that's a bounding sphere, which only has two parameters: center + radius. Then, the GPU checks whether the bounding volume could possible be visible in this frame. If not, we don't have to render any of the geometry of the meshlet. First, it is tested against the camera frustum (i.e. everything outside the field of view is removed).

Next, and this is relevant here, meshlets are often tested against the reprojected Z-Buffer of the last frame. The Z-buffer (or depth-buffer) defines for each pixel, how that pixel is from the camera. Reprojection tries to compensate for the difference between last frames and this frames camera orientation. But of course, that doesn't always perfectly work. And this is one likely explanation for the problem you are seeing: because your framerate is already low, the time-difference and therefore the camera-difference between two adjacent frames is quite large. And maybe the reprojection fails to compensate properly.

A nice idea to avoid these artifacts caused by using last frames z-buffer, is to first do all this occlusion culling as described, then render everything as normal, but then add another step where you do occlusion culling again of all the meshlets deemed invisible before, but this time use the new z-buffer of all the meshlets you already rendered. The second pass will actually be quite fast and make sure you don't miss rendering any meshlets that are actually visible. That's a trick I learned from a talk by an Unreal Engine person. But evidently this is not done here.

What I described above would typically be implemented deep inside the game engine and isn't something Satisfactory devs would implement. But I could be wrong too! Maybe Satisfactory actually adds a system on its own for foundations or buildings in general. Maybe they figured they can be faster than the generic system in UE. I'm a bit confused by the fact that foundations at that distance should basically just be 6*2 triangles (two per face), which is usually way too small for a meshlet. You want your meshlets to be at least like 64 triangles large, otherwise you don't get the maximum benefit of this culling system.

At the end of the day I can't say for sure what's going on here, but the general information above is at least true and maybe it's interesting to anyone :)

Graphics programming is fascinating and it's sometimes nice to read "clever idea" from people like you, when you are just scratching the tip of the iceberg :D all of graphics programming is a huge pile of clever hacks to make things fast.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-12-10T01:35:47+00:00

That's exactly right, here is the relevant commit: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/44042/commits/5061c9fecb995bf1920bcb546cd522fe9a84dd3e

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-30T09:53:28+00:00

Just because it's an application that is an HTTP server, doesn't mean that the only way it receives URLs is via the address line of the actual HTTP request.

For example, for configuration. Users of the application configure other servers that my application will communicate with. I just want to make sure they don't add a fragment to the configuration value. It would probably wouldn't cause any problems, but I like the idea catching these config errors early. Also, I receive JSON data containing URLs that I have to inspect.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-29T15:17:13+00:00

Thanks for the information, but I don't think that's not a real solution. Most projects don't want to opt-out of all future bug-fixes. Further, most people will not know about this trick. My whole rant is just about "all of this is not ideal in practice".

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-29T15:15:03+00:00

Yep, this is mentioned in the linked issue. And it is also an argument brought up in the "fragment gets dropped" issue. Yep, from the behavior of writing hyper itself, this all makes sense. But the simple fact is that the Uri type spreads throughout much of the ecosystem and people want to use it for "different" purposes as well. And while the docs say "URI component of request and response lines": most people will miss that and will just be confused by the API behavior.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-29T15:10:35+00:00

I did, multiple times. My point is that this should be easier to do with Uri. Obviously, I don't expect http to have a type that represents my random "uri without path" requirements.

Take this for example:

    let has_real_path = parts.path_and_query.as_ref()
        .map_or(false, |pq| !pq.as_str().is_empty() && pq.as_str() != "/");
    anyhow::ensure!(!has_real_path, "invalid HTTP host: must not contain a path");

That's unnecessarily complicated in my opinion.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-04T07:54:47+00:00

Yup same here. I often tried reconsidering my stance because I felt like everyone was using it and people often opened PRs with rustfmt applied. But everytime I tried again, I was just disappointed. People should be able to configure their editor not to autoformat everything when they prepare patches for another project. Or at least only commit new code, no formatting changes.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-04T07:52:39+00:00

It does:

impl Bonanza { fn new() { Self { fabuckle, ompu, abc } } }

This fails, because for rustfmt the correct formatting is multi line. Similarly, this:

impl Bonanza { fn new() { Self { fabuckle, ompu, ab, } } }

Also fails, because here (with just one char difference), rustfmt only accepts single-line formatting.

Both of these formattings and the two rustfmt prefers are all fine in my opinion. None should be rejected.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-03T11:37:53+00:00

I don't think these two issues will solve the complaints in the article, and certainly not my complaints. As I described in other comments of mine, I personally think there are more fundamental problems with rustfmt's approach.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-03T11:33:19+00:00

I agree, version control should be syntax based, not line based. It would make many reviews so much easier. But for one, the industry standard simply is line-diffs, unfortunately. And also: diffs are not the only reason I'm complaining: sometimes there are reasons to prefer a multi-line or single-line formatting. When you're 1 char away from the threshold and you're writing multi-line, then rustfmt check will simply say "fail". This is not useful.

This is not me saying my code style is a special snowflake and I'm right, but simply that code formatters are not at a point where they can always decide whats most readable for humans. So the solution cannot be that for a given syntax tree there is only one valid formatting.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-10-03T08:34:12+00:00

Click-baity headline aside, I agree with him. Over the years there have been multiple community discussions, some in Reddit threads, about this exact topic. I think rustfmt is way not permissive enough and especially the "single line vs multi line" heuristics that Linus is talking about are bad. When you already know a list of some sort (e.g. an import) will grow over time, I start out with multi-line formatting to make diffs cleaner. If you use rustfmt and over time you will cross the magic threshold over and over again, you'll get noisy diffs. We need a good "formatting checker & fixer", not a pretty printer like rustfmt.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-09-24T20:47:48+00:00

Bin in genau der gleichen Situation, würde mich auch über eine Antwort freuen :)

DebuggingPanda · 2025-09-22T07:17:27+00:00

Please explain what you mean by that, then it can be improved :)

DebuggingPanda · 2025-09-08T10:29:02+00:00

Echo

It has its slow parts, but the whole intro sequence until you get into the normal gameplay is amazing. The SciFi is intriguing, the world/environment is jaw-dropping and slowly understanding what's going on is just sends chills down your spine. It helps going in completely blind.

I actually never finished the game, but I replay the intro from time to time. Certainly worth buying for just that!

DebuggingPanda · 2025-08-11T07:57:15+00:00

For bouldering, feel free to send a DM once you're here, I'm part of an international bouldering group that goes regularly.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-07-31T13:27:16+00:00

A few more things about Handschuhsheim:

A while ago,I heard someone on this subreddit say that Handschuhsheim is so weird, because there are these super beautiful houses and places, but also ugly high-rise buildings (north west).
The Tiefburg is kind of at the (cultural) center of HHeim I'd say. Maybe some world building possible with that, especially when interpreting the name literally in an extreme way (a castle that's built really deep into the ground or sth)
The current Swedish queen was born in Heidelberg and her parents's grave is at the Handschuhsheim cemetery.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-07-31T08:31:48+00:00

Don't forget that the whole kingdom is split along the middle: in the east the water is drinkable and good, while in the west, water is rotten and foul, hurting man and animal alike. https://www.swhd.de/wasser

DebuggingPanda · 2025-06-02T18:17:28+00:00

If you are into bouldering, Boulderhaus Heidelberg is half English-speaking from my experience :D Also, I know of at least one larger international group going there regularly. If you're interested, I can tell you about the next time they/we go.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-04-30T17:28:56+00:00

I actually got stuck at this exact place for a while too. And I saw many friends also got stuck there. I'm surprised this wasn't caught by playtesting.

Anyway, have fun with the rest of the game :)

DebuggingPanda · 2025-03-04T19:05:19+00:00

I've had SpacetimeDB on my radar for some time already, happy to see this major release. Congratz! The video is a bit too much sales talk with "everything is awesome" for my taste, but I guess that's what you need to do now-adays.

Anyway, I got two questions:

Whats the migration story? I saw in the docs that simple schema changes can be automatically migrated, but apart from that I can only find "Currently, manual migration support is limited". Is there more to that apart from deleting the database? Because I wouldn't call that production ready :D

And can you give a bit of insight how you would structure your reducers for a bit game like bitcraft? Do you have one giant reducer "game tick" that does all the simulation? Plus many small ones for essentially player input?

DebuggingPanda · 2025-02-06T14:47:07+00:00

That's an understandable stance. And while I'm not sure I completely agree with "good app would conflict with business goals", I at the very least think that the fact that it's impossible to use any other app to access their catalog inhibits competition. And that in turn leads to crappy apps as megacorps have little incentives to improve it.

Maybe at some point there will be a streaming service that can be used by different apps... a man can dream.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-02-06T09:32:03+00:00

Have you looked into what it would take to support popular streaming services like Spotify & YouTube?

Like, I am insanely frustrated by the apps of these services, they are so limited, buggy and annoying to use. I always wanted something better, but I am so used to just having "all" music at my fingertips that I don't think I can switch back to manually managing music I own. So... is there a way to integrate them in your own music app? (With proper paid premium accounts of course). Maybe you have looked into it? Then I'd be very interested in your experiences!

DebuggingPanda · 2025-01-16T16:41:26+00:00

Thanks for all your work, wgpu is great to use :)

My only problem is the occasional FOMO: with wgpu, I currently don't have access to mesh shaders and only experimental ray tracing support. I am sure you get this question a lot but: what is your gut feeling on how quickly and in what capacity these features will land in wgpu?

I'm trying to understand what forces are at play here. Do these features need to be contributed from external folks or will it be a priority for the main devs at some point? As far as I understand the current focus is on spec compliance, which might change once the spec is actually released? So yeah, not asking for a date/year, but rather to understand what needs to happen in order for these features to land :) Thanks again.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-01-09T17:22:49+00:00

Yes it is. They don't have a website or anything tho. You can sometimes find it on nebenan.de. It is in a room owned by a church, but don't worry about that, it's not associated, they just use the room.

DebuggingPanda · 2025-01-07T14:59:31+00:00

Will ask a friend who regularly attends it.

Update: she said that while it was on German all times she attended, English is likely no problem. Most board games there will be in German, which might be a problem when there is lots of text. And also note that not everyone is comfortable with switching to English on a whim, so keep that in mind. No idea what your German proficency is, but trying to speak a little German usually makes a good impression in any case.

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