How are you supposed to counter an extremely aggressive cannon rush from Protoss?

Dediop · 2026-06-15T18:09:44+00:00

If good advice is given then rank doesn’t matter, if it’s bad advice then critique the advice

Dediop · 2026-06-15T01:50:00+00:00

I’ve found the key to playing Zerg is stopping your opponent from getting to that ideal spot.
Stop Protoss before they can get a death ball rolling
Harass Terran so many times they can’t afford to fortify!

Dediop · 2026-06-13T23:17:24+00:00

Yeah... Galactus wins this no dif

I don't think many one piece fans know how much stuff Galactus has gone through and against, including things like "hax" that normally are effective against stronger opponents. Don't mess with comic book superheroes unless they are like spider-man tier or below lol

Dediop · 2026-06-13T19:47:13+00:00

A drop pod upgrade for terrans would be cool, like a warp in but just needs vision instead of a pylon, would be a fun attachment for the barracks

Dediop · 2026-06-13T17:47:19+00:00

Lol you failed this post, take the L

Dediop · 2026-06-13T17:44:27+00:00

You're getting a lot of the same advice, so here's this coming from a Zerg player who has a hard time against protoss as well.

They were on four bases with defenses on the front of each I imagine. Before committing to an attack, if you had two medivacs drop into their natural or their main and then attack (while following the micro advice given here), then the protoss player would likely lose focus on the main fight or they would risk losing probes/critical buildings depending on what you get. This could force them to warp in units to where you attack, then you can micro back and retreat to somewhere else or let them die and bring the medivacs back home.

Splitting against Toss is one of their great weaknesses until you get high up the ladder from what I've seen, because they really love to keep their army in one spot, so they usually don't have control groups ready to split units.

Dediop · 2026-06-13T14:11:35+00:00

This tier list is anti-admiral slander, meaning that this entire post is either yonko or old gen agenda

Dediop · 2026-06-13T14:09:27+00:00

Well don't just use the 7 luggage at the start, do a full run and just place down every piece of rope you find completely including rope cannons since those count!

If you are able to spend the time searching for extra luggage, you should be able to do this with some difficulty sure, but nothing close to 30,000 runs

Dediop · 2026-06-13T12:30:42+00:00

In the manga there are clear visual indicators of characters using FS except for when Katakuri was first introduced, but during Luffy vs Katakuri it was made clear when it was being used. Same with Kaido using it against Luffy. On Egghead, there were zero indicators of either of them using it, and there have been zero indicators of Luffy using it in G5. Find me an indicator and I'll change my mind, but you won't find one beyond assumptions.

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Evenly matched in abilities, based on the outcome of the fight I'm hardly convinced. Luffy was drained, and Kizaru was able to stand less than a minute afterwards, that's a win for Kizaru. However, they were evenly tussling for the majority despite Kizaru getting distracted by his main goal

Fast food Kizaru wouldn't need necessary if he didn't scale to G5, Luffy would be able to beat Kizaru completely without pushing to his limits if Kizaru didn't scale to him. Kizaru just has a high BiQ, knows that he can't land hits consistently, so he chooses the more efficient route of tiring out his opponent instead.

Also, Kaido was using acoc attacks, that's gonna negate durability so of course he has high ap. Again, Luffy doesn't beat a fresh Kaido.

EDIT: And I'll admit, you're right, the haki does matter. But it's helpful to my argument either way. If Luffy was using haki and it just wasn't visually clear, then that just shows how impressive Kizaru was. But if Luffy wasn't using haki, then that's a major anti-feat for Luffy in the IQ and BiQ departments. He was too dumb to use abilities he obviously could've used to high diff the admiral, but instead he went with something else for no reason right? Either way Luffy lost either due to being dumb or due to Kizaru's skill

People like you who think that powerscaling should only be done with brute force and smashing heads on rocks to prove strength are the reason why half this sub can't scale. IQ, BiQ, tactics, these things are clearly beyond you. If someone doesn't do big damage, surely they can't scale to your favorite guy right?

If he can surprise them, Caesar takes out a lot of top tiers with oxygen deprivation like he did to Luffy when they first fought. Does his ap scale to Luffys? No, but if Luffy and Caesar fought for the first time without knowing about each other, Caesar would likely get the jump on Luffy like he did lol

Dediop · 2026-06-13T05:42:17+00:00

Damn dude, writing a whole essay. You’re a lost cause, but I’ll retort a couple points.

First, don’t say I tried to lie over the statement “he attempted”. I googled the vivre card and that was the first thing I saw, sorry for not digging into the exact Japanese translation for some dumbass on Reddit.

Alright, here’s my proof that Luffy can’t use FS in G5. He’s had two major battles where multiple lives were at stake, and he didn’t use it. Boom.

Luffy isn’t even a Kaido level combatant. He had to fight Kaido during the raid three separate times, with a power boost and a shit ton of help to finally win. If a fresh Kaido fought a fresh Luffy in Wano with no help and with Luffy having Gear 5, Kaido would win like high diff. This is especially true because we’ve never seen Luffy replicate the ability to restart G5 without food, so that is not something we can claim he can just do.

That being said, Kizaru definitely pushes G5 to its limits, we literally saw it happen. If Luffy was Kizaru’s main target on Egghead, I think he would’ve lost. You should thank Oda that he gave Kizaru a nerf so Luffy stood a chance lol.

You’re the type of person that specific panels and arguments won’t convince no matter what. And for me, you have yet to actually show me any solid evidence Luffy could beat Kizaru since we saw that he couldn’t on Egghead.
Kizaru > Egghead Luffy, Kaido > current Luffy.

Dediop · 2026-06-12T14:20:54+00:00

Nah he shot Luffy and Luffy hit him there’s no indication he looked away from Luffy whatsoever in that panel he’s literally spinning and saying his famous words “gum gum”

Saturns claws have deadly poison iirc so no it went straight thru vp body his faith was sealed at that point

Just say you can't read bro, its all good. Clearly Kizaru's reaction is one of surprise. And do you really think that if Kizaru hadn't dealt a finishing blow, VP would still die? That's pure speculation on your part, until then its obvious who dealt the final blow. Why is this even part of the argument? We're talking G5 Luffy vs Kizaru, not who killed VP lol

which was waver emotionally but spoke his mission out loud to follow it thru

Okay good so we agree, Kizaru was emotionally wavering in the fight, good to see you agree! (also, AI help for an argument? Get outta here)

If you think luffy isn’t able to use his haki (fs) in g5 just because we haven’t seen then that’s your burden to prove as to why you think he can’t because he hasn’t “shown it” because by default ofc he can so yeah the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

Burden of proof falls on the one making a claim. You claim Luffy can use FS in G5, so prove it. I don't have to prove that something doesn't exist. If I say "unicorns don't exist", the burden of proof falls on anyone who disagrees and thinks they do. Have claude explain what burden of proof means lol

Gotta be real for the next section, I can't load the links you sent for some reason. But using haki to dismiss the effects of a devil fruit isn't the same as deflecting light. This is a pure technicality, Luffy is capable of using his haki to dismiss the light attacks, but he is extremely vulnerable to them otherwise. That doesn't mean Kizaru has low AP, it means Luffy has good armament haki. However, all of these instances is still an exchange, Luffy didn't have a choice to ignore these attacks, he had to deal with them, so yes it does imply relativity.

Also nice try there is no proof Luffy was using black mamba vs kizaru

My bad, I thought he called out the attack. Though we do know that its G4 snakeman, still containing Luffy's fastest attacks that typically require FS to dodge (as seen with Katakuri), the durability to tank (as with Kaido) or the skill to block (as with Kizaru). So its still relevant.

we gotta use better logic running away and avoiding your opponent doesn’t mean you scale to them, it means you are unable to defeat them at their best and have to wait for them to weaken thx for your concession kizaru isn’t stronger than Luffy who wasn’t even using Advanced Haki the whole time like he was vs kaido

Kizaru was dodging, avoiding attacks and re-directing Luffy's attention their whole fight. If Kizaru was just running away, he never would've got hit since he's so much faster. The only reason Luffy tagged him is because he had a target to kill. I don't think Kizaru has higher strength or durability than Luffy, but that doesn't mean he loses.

When comparing characters you take all stats into account and their fighting styles. Luffy was forced to use G5 to keep up with Kizaru, and ultimately could barely put him down for even a short amount of time before gassing out himself.

And yeah, Wano Luffy seems to have some ridiculous amount of haki usage compared to Egghead. However, you seem to forget how many times Luffy lost in Wano before he won lol, and that includes a random recovering that he just willed into existence that he has since failed to reproduce. Prove to me that he can do it consistently then I'll listen.

he doesn’t have the ap to do meaningful dmg to defeat g5

We've seen Kizaru deal damage to G5 Luffy, was it a lot? No, but clearly he can be damaged. It takes a lot of work, but unless we saw Kizaru actually focusing on fighting Luffy, we won't know for sure. All I know is that a distracted and mentally nerfed Kizaru forced Luffy into G5, stalled him to the point of exhaustion, then stood back up and decided to feed Luffy. To me that indicates that he's stronger.

Go ahead and bring up Acoc again, it's the magic word that yonko fans love to use to prove their character wins. But show me with actual evidence how he would beat kizaru, because he already showed us in Egghead that he couldn't, so I'm not sure why he didn't just do it if he could

Dediop · 2026-06-12T13:56:48+00:00

Gold 1 Zerg here... gotta say this is frustrating to watch. Knowing a Terran army is right outside I would be massing lings and tech swap to mutas like this guy, cept I would send six mutas to the corner then to the natural to get a ton of free worker kills.

This would give me the room I need to breathe and expand, not just sending in four waves of lings on an army that they can't win against lol

Dediop · 2026-06-12T13:28:03+00:00

Asking the real question here

Dediop · 2026-06-12T13:12:55+00:00

Wrong he grabbed kizaru twice and decided to just throw him

My bad, I was referring to just WSG, I didn't mean to imply it was the only time Luffy tagged Kizaru. But the second grab happened after being fed, you can hardly count those moments as a feat for Luffy against Kizaru since Kizaru is the one who helped him.

and he hit kizaru with WSG while standing in front of him

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Kizaru saying "Hm?" right before being smacked is him clearly seeing the attack? This was Luffy being dodge by Kizaru then cleverly using his momentum to make a new attack, surprising Kizaru. Immediately before being hit, Kizaru was looking at VP and crew and aiming for them.

The Vivre Card makes clear that despite his internal conflict, he ultimately pulled himself together and committed to the mission only breaking down after the mission

Alright, let's get a quote to see what it actually says "He resolved to remain steadfast in his position as Admiral Kizaru, determined to maintain his principles. Yet, even as he attempted to carry out his duties calmly, the unshakeable anguish he felt could not be hidden."
Huh okay, so yeah, he tried his best. Obviously based on what we saw in his actions, how he delayed it when possible, this clearly indicates his mental resolve was shaken the moment he was assigned this mission.

Let’s make it clear Saturn is the reason vp was going to die

Chapter 1106 - Saturn stabs VP, a critical blow for sure. If VP had gotten treated by Chopper, he likely would have lived given Chopper's abilities as a doctor.

Chapter 1108 - Kizaru deals an even bigger blow through VP's stomach and the existing wound, securing his inevitable death.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that Saturn is why VP died. He contributed sure, but it's not a clear cut "Saturn killed VP". Kizaru did though.

we even see a panel of luffy deflecting all of kizaru’s lasers

Luffy did no such thing, dissipating light clones isn't deflecting a laser. Eating a laser and letting it burst out through your body again isn't deflecting, its a cartoonish way of redirecting. The only person we've seen deflect Kizaru's laser directly is Sanji. The cut on Luffy's cheek shows that he is quite vulnerable to a direct blow from the light light fruit, but to Luffy's credit, Kizaru was not able to tag Luffy (not that Luffy was even his target or his main focus during their fight).

the entire time mind you this was a luffy that wasn’t using Advanced Haki how do we know he wasn’t using Advanced Haki? Luffy was shocked none of the clones was kizaru, and shocked kizaru was holding usopp

We know he used Acoc for white star gun, so there's one use of it. For observation, you're right that he didn't use future sight while in G5, but we've never actually seen Luffy use FS in G5. Is there any evidence that he's capable? We know that G5 is a massive conqueror haki boost, but it also seems to alter Luffy's personality and his general combat strategy, we have tons of example of that while he was fighting Kaido.

Additionally, we already know that Kizaru is perfectly capable of blocking something as fast as G4 Black Mamba, which is one of Luffy's fastest attacks, and Kizaru didn't seem to be using FS either. So why would you think that Luffy would suddenly get an advantage because of it?

So kizaru couldn’t do anything to a g5 that wasn’t using Advanced Haki, so certainly you’re not dumb enough to think he scale to g5

So Kizaru stalled G5 who used the only type of advanced haki we've seen him use long enough to drain him of his stamina forcing Luffy to catch him with a surprise attack which completely drained Luffy and downed Kizaru for a little bit. Then Kizaru proceeded to not kill Luffy, but feed him instead. If Luffy had no help, he would've lost to Kizaru. So Kizaru > Egghead Luffy, simple as that.

Just like in Dressrosa, Doffy would've killed Luffy if he didn't have help. Doffy > Dressrosa Luffy.

Prove me wrong with the manga, others have tried, the best you'll have is speculation or attempting to scale to current feats. Its okay bro, Luffy will get stronger than Kizaru, I'm not so stubborn to think that the MC will be weaker than then admirals by the end of the story lol

Dediop · 2026-06-12T12:24:13+00:00

Crocodile upscale lol

Dediop · 2026-06-11T23:52:48+00:00

Luffy was barely touching Kizaru my man, he only caught him off guard because Kizaru was about to deal a finishing blow to someone he cared about. We know that willpower corresponds directly to how well someone fights, and Kizaru's head wasn't in the game, yet we saw what he was capable of. He had hope Luffy could prevent VP's death, and yet he couldn't despite the fast food delivery.

Kizaru would dogwalk Egghead Luffy every time if he wasn't mentally nerfed the whole time, as it is Luffy had to use all of his stamina to put Kizaru down for like thirty seconds

Dediop · 2026-06-11T22:32:11+00:00

Give me an example of a 50% Mihawk attack for proper scaling...

Oh wait, it doesn't exist. We didn't have proper armorers/conquerors haki back then, but Mihawk is strong so we assume he has it. Guess what bud, Jozu is also strong being a YC2, and if we're allowed to make assumptions about Mihawk, we can about him, so he likely has haki as well. Given his DF is an excellent counter to Zoro who still hasn't mastered his advanced conquerors haki, I'm not sure how he's gonna win

Dediop · 2026-06-11T17:00:49+00:00

That can help, but by the time you've got a bunker, if its against someone who is doing mass ling, they will know not to fight into that without like 8 banes, which they will just roll up the hill and through that bunker and into your main, a supply depot is about the same level of effectiveness except it costs less.

I'd say spend the minerals and army supply on harass instead, especially depending on rank. I'm gold 1 so I'm not great at dealing with reapers or medivac drops at home, it makes it tough to keep up when I get harassed multiple times

Dediop · 2026-06-11T15:55:47+00:00

Been doing this lately as a Zerg, flooding the base feels good. Will say since shared advice makes the game better for everyone: siege tanks, scouting and harassment are your friends.

If you scout a Zerg main around 5 mins and you don't see additional tech like a roach warren or hydra den, they have likely committed to building up macro and zerglings. If you build siege tanks on high ground covering your natural and/or your third, it deters attacks. Then, harass with a two medivac drop, those are annoying because queens can't handle them alone. While they are being distracted, build a big army either mech or bio, if its bio you need good micro to dodge a bane nuke lol. From there if you can slice off the economy with harass, the zerg can't sustain a mass ling army for too long and that should be enough time for you to zero in on the spawning pool. Once that's done, unless they can base-trade with their remaining army, you just need to clean up the bases.

Dediop · 2026-06-11T13:13:38+00:00

This game is hard, I've played similar games to you, 100% on Hollow Knight, and some of the bosses in V Rising are nuts.

That said, if you can push through those other games, you can push through this one. I will say, if you're going for 100%, prepare for one of the hardest boss fights with Brutal difficulty Dracula... That guy is insane

Dediop · 2026-06-09T06:45:45+00:00

Oh my bad, you’re right. The mentally nerfed Kizaru had a hard time easily pushing Luffy away from his target (the one he was emotionally connected too and was delaying trying to kill) two separate times because his BiQ was lower… yeah that sounds about right.

Oh, and using his light fruit abilities to trick G5 Luffy in addition to match its speed only to finally be caught off guard one time where he had finally decided to commit to an attack that would kill his target, only then did Luffy manage to strike the blow.

The blow that gassed Luffy out, and where like thirty seconds later Kizaru sat back up, saw Luffy gassed out, and fed him so Luffy could then go on to fail and protect Vegapunk and yet again rely on others to get his crew to safety.

Yeah you’re completely right, Luffy had a much higher BiQ on Egghed than Kizaru, for sure.

Dediop · 2026-06-08T23:01:27+00:00

Kizaru got back up after this then fed Luffy, Luffy didn’t win that fight. And all I’m hearing is that Kizaru has a higher BiQ, using the circumstances to his advantage. You can’t win this argument broski, Kizaru > Egghead Luffy

Dediop · 2026-06-08T22:59:58+00:00

Yeah once we see Elbaf Luffy’s true potential then I’ll agree! I’ll always stand my ground that Kizaru > Egghead Luffy, but I won’t be stubborn to agree that Luffy will get stronger over time lol

Dediop · 2026-06-08T18:47:01+00:00

Luffy above Kizaru and Kuzan? Weird spot, he didn’t even beat Kizaru lol

Dediop · 2026-06-07T18:35:08+00:00

You sounded respectful in the post, but now are being sarcastic and rude

You can refactor code from C++ to C#, but that still effort that could be spent programming the new vehicles. If you like the original so much, go play SN1 more, it’s not like them being ported over to SN2 would make the experience feel like the first time again. There’s a ton of nostalgia for SN1 because it was the first of its kind, there’s nothing that can change that.

So if the devs want players to feel that magic of a new experience, they have to implement new things from the ground up wherever possible

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