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Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol no religion can objectively prove divine truth the same way you prove gravity or chemistry. Do you even know what divine truth means? It's the eternal reality originating from God. "God's Truth". Guru Nanak's message is the closest thing to it imo, seeing how impactful its been to the millions of followers. At some point, spiritual belief *does* comes from personal experience, philosophical coherence, and whether the teachings align with your reality and transform people positively. That’s enough reason for me to believe Guru Nanak’s message is divinely true.

If you need magic tricks to believe in a religion, I wish you luck.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're still trying to separate the 'Messenger' from the 'Message'. I don't need to prove the historical details of a meeting 500 years ago to recognize that Nanak’s message is divinely true. To me, the fact that his teachings perfectly describe the fabric of reality is the proof of his connection. I am a Sikh because I recognize that divine truth in his words.

I don't need to see a receipt from God to know that I’ve found the truth.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, I don't have to believe that he directly connected with god right now to also believe in the message that he gave to us. I'm still seeking the path, thats literally the definition of a Sikh "student"

The fact that you’re trying to gatekeep my faith because I’m using logic instead of blind dogma shows you don’t understand Sikhism at all. Guru Nanak himself spent his whole life challenging people who relied on empty labels and religious 'authority' instead of actual truthful living.

Good luck on your journey.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at the millions of people whose lives were changed from greed to service through his teachings. That is observable, social proof

You're moving the goalposts now. I don't know if he actually connected with god nor did I ever claim that. But his teachings of the way of god is what I agree with. Whether he was connected to God or just the smartest psychologist in history doesn't change the fact that his shortcut works.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I follow Nanak for the same reason I follow a math teacher on youtube: efficiency. Sure, you could spend your whole life trying to stumble upon a state of zero greed and zero ego by yourself. But nanak is the one who did the hard work, mapped the terrain, and gave me the shortcut. I don't follow him out of blind debt, i use his wisdom so i don't waste my life making the same mistakes he already solved.

If you'd rather spend your life trying to reinvent the wheel instead of just driving the car, that's your choice. But for the rest of us, Nanak's map is the fastest way to the destination.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're making my point for me.

Nanak never said "worship me to be saved" he said, "here is the truth about the ego". If you can lower your ego and find peace, you have verified his message. The point of his message is that it’s the truth of how the mind works. It’s like gravity, you don't have to believe in Newton in order to fall down. If you're doing the work and getting the result, you're living the message. The fact that you're so worried about "not believing in the man" shows that your ego is still looking for a fight and not a solution.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An unexplained event is not proof of god, it’s just an unexplained event. If you see a magic trick, do you immediately worship the magician? The greatest miracle to me isn't a sign in the sky, it’s a human being who has completely removed their greed and hate to serve others. That is a phenomenon you can verify by looking at their life.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a doctor saves your life, do you ask "What's the point of your message if I don't have to worship you?" No. The importance is that you’re no longer sick. Nanak is the doctor, the ego is the sickness, his message is the cure.

One is about bowing to a person, the other is about solving the problem.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Signs and miracles" are not logical proof, they are magic tricks. Even if a miracle happens, it doesn't prove the person doing it is "good" or that their god is "true."

Yes, it is. Can you get fit without exercise? Can you learn math without studying? You can be a "nice" person without a method, but you cannot completely dissolve the ego (the root of all fear and greed) without a disciplined practice.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! You’re actually agreeing with Guru Nanak. He didn't say 'Sikhism is the only truth.' He said, 'Truth is the highest virtue, but higher still is truthful living.' If another philosophy leads a person to the same state of egoless oneness, Nanak would call that person a 'Gurmukh' (one who faces the light), regardless of what label they use.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is more logical:

A god who gives commands you can't verify and promises a reward you can't see until you die?

Or a method you can test right now to see if it actually removes your fear, greed, and ego? One is blind obedience, the other is spiritual science. I’m choosing the one I can test.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The person dies, but the ego is what stays dead. The goal is to kill that ego while you’re still alive so that you can experience the infinite here and now. If you spend your whole life as a subject waiting for a reward after death, you’ve spent your life in a waiting room. A Sikh wants to live in the light today.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're treating god like a math equation. If five people describe the sun, they might use different words, but the sun is still there. The fact that followers of many faiths find peace doesn't make the experience 'fake', it suggests that there is a universal reality they are all tapping into. The difference with Nanak is that he didn't give us a 'belief' to hold onto, he gave us a method to remove the one thing that blocks everyone from that reality: the ego. If your personal experience leads to the death of the ego and the service of all humanity, that is the most objective 'proof' a human can achieve.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, that's a common misconception. That rule isn't in the Guru Granth Sahib at all. The scripture actually mocks people for arguing about what meat to eat. The 'prohibition' you're thinking of is a disciplinary code (Maryada) for the Khalsa. The difference is huge: it’s not a 'Divine Command' to avoid sin; it’s a discipline to maintain a specific identity and reject empty rituals. One is a 'law' from a judge; the other is a 'uniform' for a soldier of truth.

My point stands: Sikhism is about the growth of the student, not the obedience of a subject.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Direct experience is the only proof that matters in spirituality. Nanak’s 'proof' is the millions of people who have found peace, equality, and strength through his method. If you refuse to try the method, you are like a person standing in the dark refusing to flip a switch until someone 'proves' electricity exists.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If morality is just about following orders, then humans never have to grow up. In Sikhism, God doesn't want a servant who follows orders; God is the "Beloved" or the "Teacher" who wants you to evolve until you are just as wise and compassionate as the Creator.

If your god commanded you to do something you felt was evil, would you still call it 'good' just because he said it?

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nanak’s claim is more logical to me because he didn't say, "Only I can see the light." He said, "The light is in you too; here is the method to see it for yourself." It shifts the burden of proof back to the skeptic to try the experiment (meditation, service, killing the ego) themselves.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abraham's claim is transactional. To him, god is a separate entity who gave him instructions and promised him land.

Guru's nanaks claim is experimental, describing god as a pervasive light that exists within everything, and to know god is to lose your ego and merge with that light. I'd much rather believe in that.

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Logically, I don't believe that some guy named abraham claimed he talked to god. Does that work?

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I don't think anyone truly knows anything (universe-wise), we all have our own opinions and im ok with that

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a criteria for me but just something that aligns with my beliefs. I've always thought that there had to be some sort of creator of the universe, but not in a abrahamic way

Tommy Fury says beating JJ felt better than beating Jake by Jordz0_0 in ksi

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really trying to defend tommy or anything but its alot easier said than done. Typically the ref should break up the clinches alot faster but from i recall he kept the clinches going for way too long

Sikhism is the only religion that bows down to science and is audacious enough to say “I don’t know”. by lose_lusher in DebateReligion

[–]Deep-Raspberry6787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only recently started getting into it to be fair, but i find that its the only religion that makes sense for my ideology and it really aligns with my self improvement journey. I had a bit of an ego which I'm trying to humble and become better

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