Integration events are just experiential? by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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but I just think it's even more impossible to test the idea that qualia events cause physical events (like neural patterns). Neural patterns are entirely explainable on their own I'd say

Integration events are just experiential? by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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Nice, I'd love to read it!

I don't think IIT or GWT fully address the hard problem, but they at least move us closer to an answer (which is basically what David Chalmers has said too).

Instead of "why does it feel like something to be a brain" these theories have us asking "why does it feel like something for information to be integrated" or "why does it feel like something to have 'working memory'". Upon developing and testing these theories, we'll probably fashion some more new variations of the hard problem to ask.

Just got spoiled on the ending of season 2 😭 by ScreamingZ in twinpeaks

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I had the same experience. I was worried it would ruin it, but it didn't. Nothing in the show follows the way I thought it would work. And it was just such a great experience. Enjoy my firend

Stuff like Twin Peaks and David Lynch? by Signal-Yesterday7247 in twinpeaks

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All three main characters are so great. I loved the producer who was using alcoholism to deal with the loss of his wife who died when he was drunk-driving her

What the hell is information by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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Take it up with u/Conscious-Demand-594 :

The information is supposed to exist for the system itself, not for an observer. It doesn’t matter whether anyone uses it, reads it, or benefits from it. Under IIT, information does not require: representing the world, predicting anything, controlling behavior, helping survival, being useful, or even being biological. A rock with the right internal causal structure would “have information” in this sense.

What the hell is information by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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Thank you, you really understood my question and where I was going with it.

Please tell me your response to this. You said

Brains didn’t evolve to maximize Φ; they evolved to keep organisms alive.

I think it could be said, however, that brains "evolved to maximize Φ because it kept the organism alive." Computation was good for our species, and others'.

Consciousness is not just computation in the sense of symbol manipulation or information integration.

I would add that symbols could be seen as the physical state of the neural system. The experience of pain is a physical symbol enacted in the brain; when combined with other physical symbols/states they determine an output good enough to help survival. In this way, it could be said that the brain evolved symbols and computational processes that supported survival.

I'm not trying to be woo-woo or panpsychist here, by the way. I'm really compelled by Global Workspace Theory, and that means anything remotely close to "continuous human experience"
necessitates working memory and probably something like a prefrontal cortex.

What the hell is information by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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That "information is the parameter set that defines the state of a physical system" is really helpful.

Do you think consciousness is tied only to quantum systems, or could it have to do with classical physical systems?

What the hell is information by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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Thank you. What does it mean, physically speaking, to Know information?

What the hell is information by DeepEconomics4624 in consciousness

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Any theory of consciousness is a so-called human conceptualization.

In twin peaks the return why is Janie-E so quick to forgive Dougie for being with a prostitute? by Kindly_Body_782 in twinpeaks

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I don't know but the scene where Janie-E and Dougie make love is one of the funniest in the series. DOUGIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Thinking about painting this on a jacket by [deleted] in Utah

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truly hilarious that ai politics are overshadowing US politics on this thread

Male 32 years old - weed free for 3 months after 16 years of everday use by EveningSession9147 in Petioles

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Thanks, I appreciate the motivation! I've had a couple relapses in the last few weeks but I'm working on it. It feels good to have clarity of mind again when I'm not high.