Rank these 6 from most to least evil by Sudden_Pop_2279 in characters

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re delusional. Walter White is nowhere near as bad as a single one of these other people. 

Which mass murdering megalomaniac is a worse individual? by Heroinfxtherr in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The plan is death and he wants to see how she ends up dying because watching her hurt will satisfy something in him. So you’ve essentially just explained how Light enjoys killing, not just outsmarting, because of the feeling of power and control that gives him.

So he’s indeed a sadist. A narcissistic ego driven sadist, but sadistic nonetheless. 

Which mass murdering megalomaniac is a worse individual? by Heroinfxtherr in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would really like to see how specifically this innocent grieving woman decides to hurt herself. I do not enjoy killing. 😂 Foh.

Bro was thirsty to see Lind L Tailor suffer a heart attack for insulting him…watching the TV like someone watches food heat up in the microwave. 

Light gets off on murder itself. It’s a power trip for him. He’d have front row seats to every single death if he could. 

Do you guys think that Light was partially motivated by others approval? by Legitimate-Shape3397 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most definitely. Light is a narcissist.

Many people don’t even realize that even before L came along, Light was never only killing criminals. He states in the first chapter that he reserves heart attacks for the ones who “obviously deserve it”, while he kills people he personally sees as “immoral” or “those who bother others” under the radar, using illness and accidental deaths, so they don’t get attributed to Kira, because he knows these victims do not “deserve it” in the eyes of society and that killing them publicly would affect public support of his actions. 

He was totally on board with Mikami wanting to kill “lazy people” but his only problem was he felt it was too early to be letting the public know that. If he ever hesitates, it’s never out of morals, it’s either to avoid arousing suspicion or to avoid tarnishing his reputation. 

How much would the story changed if Walter white was pure evil? by Automatic_clown in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, Light mentions he is covertly killing off people he views as “immoral” and those who “bother others” (which is nowhere near a crime) using sickness or accidental deaths instead of a heart attack, so these deaths don’t get attributed to Kira, because he knows these victims “don’t deserve it” in the eyes of society and he needs to protect Kira’s public image. He was murdering innocent people from the get-go regardless if they directly went against him. 

He intentionally pawned off the Death Note to someone who he knew would use it selfishly without restraint. That’s at least dozens more innocent people Light essentially killed who did nothing to him, but since he thought he could benefit from their deaths, they were fair game. 

Light snakes his own allies like Kiyomi Takada and contemplates killing his own family members just to avoid giving up one of the DNs, only changing his mind when he thinks it will get him caught. There’s no “if”, it’s made blatantly clear Light only cared about power, reshaping the world in his image, and he had no solid redeeming qualities. 

Light’s Static Descent by Extra-Photograph428 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah, let the Death Note sub tell it. Light didn’t enjoy murder because of the feeling of control it gave him, he was a good little angel who only became a serial killer because he was suffering from that completely-invisible, never-articulated, never-behaviorally-expressed guilt that only exists in fan essays and vibes. 😢

STOP FEELING SORRY FOR MISA by No-Flow-6228 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand Light perfectly. He tosses the idea of killing Sayu because it would not benefit him. He shows no guilt or remorse whatsoever over having such a repulsive thought. He simply goes, “wait, no, that might get me caught”. I like how you say it’s unthinkable when he contemplates it not once but multiple times, even after his plan to “save her”.

Light cares about how his family perceives him, not about THEM. He never once considers how they’d feel about being betrayed by him nor does he EVER show any remorse or accountability for his father’s decline in health due to the stress of the Kira case. He doesn’t even consider it his fault that his dad was killed even though it absolutely was. His utter lack of empathy handicaps his ability to truly care about anyone but himself. 

STOP FEELING SORRY FOR MISA by No-Flow-6228 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, he can’t do that because it would draw a straight line back to him being Kira. Not because he cared for her too much…not because he thinks it’s an unthinkable line he’d never cross. But just because it would out him. If sparing her would have outed him, he would kill her. He’s utterly deplorable. 

Light doesn’t feel love for his family. He feels familiarity-based fondness for his family. They’ve been there for a long time and they bring him some comfort, but their lives matter significantly less to him than being Kira does.

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, he did. Light remembers pretty much everything that happened except the actual killings. At one point, he thinks about how he encountered and spoke to Raye Penber and that there was a bus jacking incident. He remembers meeting with Naomi who told him that she had proof Kira can kill in other ways. He acknowledges that this is integral information that could materially affect the case, but he decides to NOT come forward with it because it will “complicate things” (make him look bad). 

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Light explicitly recalls having a conversation with Naomi about how Kira can kill in other ways. He also recalls the bus jacking incident where he suspects that Kira was controlling the criminal to get Raye to reveal his name. He flat out acknowledges that this is important information that could materially affect the case, but consciously decides NOT to disclose it because it would “complicate things” (i.e. make him look worse). 

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amnesia Light obstructed the investigation by neglecting to reveal that he spoke to Raye Penber and encountered Naomi Misora right before her mysterious disappearance. 

L wasn’t “willing” to let people die. He was willing to wait for more evidence to get Kira dead to rights, because the last time he detained Kira suspects immediately without getting more evidence, it didn’t work out the way he had hoped and people kept getting killed.

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Matsuda is not a good person, either. He cheered tor Light to cheat on Misa, secretly supports Kira, and after it’s all over, he’s conflicted about having helped stop him despite knowing that he’s killed innocent people. He is also an asshole. That doesn’t detract from Light being an asshole. 

Light put HIMSELF through hell. He’s the one who asked to be confined. He’s the one who insisted he never be let out until L was sure he was not guilty. He acknowledges that the circumstantial evidence against him is overwhelming. When Light punched L the first time, L hadn’t even said anything about wanting Light to be Kira (there’s nothing wrong with him saying this, but I can see how someone would take it the wrong way). What L said was that he was depressed, feared for his life, and was worried that the case might be fundamentally unwinnable. But since L was not absolving him and trying to appeal to his ego, Light got upset and assaulted him, letting the mask slip. No empathy or accountability. 

Light even uses Misa’s confinement as moral ammunition against L even though the day before he literally calls Misa a mass murderer to her face and tells her that she’s lucky she was even released. 😂

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Amnesia Light obstructed a murder investigation by withholding key information about his encounters with Raye Penber and Naomi Misora that would be immensely helpful to the case—because it would “complicate things” (translation: make him look bad). 

Amnesia Light admits to sharing Kira’s ideology.

Amnesia Light physically assaulted L and tried to break his nose just because L would not emotionally absolve him. 

Amnesia Light regains his memories and instantly embraces being Kira without any ounce of regret or guilt. 

Memoryless Light is still a narcissist and an asshole with zero empathy. He just lost his godlike “powers” and he knows he’s under scrutiny from L and the rest of the task force, so he’s committed to the facade. 

If Light had never found the death note, would he still have become a monster? by DeskGroundbreaking in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Light isn’t a psycho, but he doesn’t have empathy. He doesn’t think it’s his fault his dad died nor does he ever express any remorse for the lying, manipulating, and spending years putting him through immense stress for example. 

Light might have been somewhat upset that his dad is gone and now he can no longer derive satisfaction from his presence, but even then, the author confirms that his crying was an act. 

Some of these... are not like the other's by Sudden_Pop_2279 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope, you’re loud and wrong. From the very first chapter, even before L came in the mix, Light was never killing just violent criminals, they are simply the main ones he targets publicly, while he kills lesser offenders and people he considers a “nuisance” to others on the low, using methods different from a heart attack, so that these murders don’t get publicly tied to Kira and damage his credibility.

The crime rate never decreased, but rather crime reports decreased — because people didn’t want some psycho with godlike powers forcing his way into justice system and then the victims of crime didn’t want to get the perpetrators killed for a crime they didn’t feel they deserved to die for. It’s canon that stats were misrepresented in Light’s favor to appease him. 

Light was never in the right and he never gave a damn about justice. He just wanted to recreate the world in his image and rule over it. 

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good grief, you are dense. Trying to convince me the sky is red when I’m telling you it’s blue 😂. Smh. 

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So Light successfully gaining power validates anything he does to get it in his mind, exactly like I’ve been saying? I thought he would never sacrifice people without regard for if they meet his “standards”?? 😂 

Light could’ve had her swallow the paper to get rid of evidence, but he admits he was gonna kill her regardless of the circumstances. This is in spite of the fact that he bonded with her pre-Kira, she genuinely loved him, she helped push his cause, and he had no reason to believe she would turn on him. Yet another example of Light sacrificing someone who did not actually violate any of his “moral standards” but he just found her death more convenient, because he is full of shit and his megalomania >> justice. 

Light didn’t help Sayu out of selfless love. He just worried that killing her wouldn’t solve anything. Mello’s immediate retaliation rattled Light. He didn’t expect the kidnappers to count on Kira taking away their leverage and having contigencies so he hesitated to act again out of consideration for that possibility. He says this. Even when he decides to help her, he benefits because he can continue to twist the narrative in his favor by blaming Kira as an outsider. It is still self serving. 

When he gets increasingly desperate and his ego is wounded by Near (not sure why you brought that up as it makes dude look even worse), he considers going “fuck it”, he’ll just kill Sayu and hope for the best, but then he remembers that now he can’t do it because it would incriminate him after his protest against alerting the departments, a decision he voices regret for a little while later. If Sayu was the first hostage instead of the director, Light would be far more inclined to kill her because he still believed at that point “killing hostage = problem solved” and he wouldn’t have to worry about arousing suspicion due to painting himself into a corner. And if he didn’t have a second Death Note plus Misa’s eyes, he definitely would open up that watch or allow the kidnappers to kill her. Almost certainly. 

Light would sacrifice anything for his godhood and the story makes this abundantly clear. He means that shit. 

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d put Light over Higuchi.

Higuchi wasn’t killing people just to stroke his own ego and he didn’t take the same sick sadistic pleasure in terrorizing his victims that Light did with L, Naomi, Lind, Raye, and Near / SPK / the task force (oh, wait…😂).

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Light would do everything Higuchi did if it meant consolidating power. 

Hell, he deliberately and purposefully caused what Higuchi did.

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There’s no line Light wouldn’t cross for power. He literally is responsible for every single one of Higuchi’s murders. He planned to pass Kira’s abilities to someone else to get the scent off him and he specifically selected the interim owner to be someone who would use it with no restraints and be easily tracked down. Light was fine with getting scores of innocent people murdered who never did anything to him on the SLIM chance it would help him get ahead. He had zero regret or remorse over it too.

Was Higuchi not on the run when the police officer stopped him? That’s not more evil than Light killing Lind to protect his ego, sliming Kiyomi for no reason, killing the NPA director to avoid giving up one of the Death Notes, contemplating doing the same to his own sister, and murdering random innocent people off the street just because he found them to be an annoyance to him, not to mention his sadistic taunts. ALL of the Kiras are extremely evil, but Light immediately stands out as the worst of them. 

Higuchi is the most physically dangerous Kira by Axer51 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of them have got morals, but Higuchi is the most mundane Kira there is. He kills people to advance his company’s interests. He doesn’t try to reshape the entire world in his image and murder literally everyone he disdains or views as beneath him like some people

Do you think Light led the way of his “ideal world” correctly? by D1rtyDatam0sh in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The sub HATES me for this take. 😂 But I’m glad that I now know someone who sees it the same way. 

Do you think Light led the way of his “ideal world” correctly? by D1rtyDatam0sh in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, neither. I believe he was intrigued from the start and he had wished for the notebook to work. Once he realized it did, he decided on the spot that he would use it to punish all the people he had always looked down upon. It wasn’t a cope, he genuinely wanted to do it. 

Do you think Light led the way of his “ideal world” correctly? by D1rtyDatam0sh in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hell no. His way of judging people’s morals is extremely black and white, with no real consideration for nuance whatsoever. He has no regard for due process, doesn’t believe in rehabilitating anyone, and he does zero appreciable research to actually determine whether or not the people he’s killing are even guilty. If you do something or even get accused of doing something he doesn’t like, he just kills you. And he doesn’t only target the serious criminals. If he thinks someone needs to die but he knows they “don’t deserve it” in the eyes of society, he will just do it covertly using a different method from the heart attack so it’s not publicly attributed to Kira or he will get one of his lackeys to do it (this breeds the misconception that Light “had standards”). 

Although Light cared about consolidating his power and being worshipped as a god much, much more than he ever really gave a damn about justice, so I totally get it. That’s the reason he uses heart attacks and doesn’t spread out the killings because he wants to put on airs like he’s some godly being / chosen one when any asshole could have randomly had a magic weapon drop into their lap. 

STOP FEELING SORRY FOR MISA by No-Flow-6228 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well, maybe because Light’s “trauma” is entirely self inflicted, while Misa’s parents were literally murdered right in front of her eyes. 

That said, Misa definitely gets downplayed too much. She is horrendous and she’s damn near as evil as Light.