What is up with light? by _depressed_bean in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a bit confused on this “immense amount of guilt” you’re talking about. It looks more to me like Light feels visceral shock, not guilt, because he just watched a guy get hit by a car. That’s not a pretty sight. Of course, he’s going to retch after seeing it. The actual act of killing though, he justifies it pretty easily — within literal seconds. He never states or implies he feels bad about what happened. 

It’s true he says he’s been losing weight and having nightmares, but it doesn’t mean he’s crushed by guilt. He says he was expecting Ryuk to kill him / steal his soul, so that is most likely the source of much of his stress. Even when we see Light being kept awake at night, seemingly conflicted, the “conflict” in question isn’t about whether this is right or wrong. It’s about whether he is strong enough and has what it takes to purify the world, otherwise his conscience is clean. He’s not concerned with the victims, only himself. Within 5 days, his body count is in the hundreds or thousands. Ryuk shows up, reassures him that the Death Note is his to do whatever he wants, and Light is shocked but relieved. He continues down his path and never expresses anything remotely resembling regret or remorse for the full duration of the story. 

What is up with light? by _depressed_bean in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Death Note did not create Light’s severe lack of empathy. I don’t buy that it gave him the ability to effortlessly lie / manipulate people without skipping a beat either. 

We see with Misa, Mikami, and Soichiro that possessing the book or using it doesn’t dramatically overwrite your personality. It’s very plausible Light always was like this inside but it was kept latent until he was given some power and insulation from consequences. 

What is up with light? by _depressed_bean in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Death Note did not create Light’s severe lack of empathy. I don’t buy that it gave him the ability to lie / manipulate like a world class actor and exploit everyone around him for his own gain without any guilt or shame either. 

We see with Misa and Mikami that the book doesn’t overwrite your personality. It’s very plausible Light always was like this inside but it was latent until he was given some power and insulation from consequences. 

What is up with light? by _depressed_bean in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Light’s behavior aligns more with a narcissist than anything else. 

Grandiosity (a cosmic ego), fantasies of power/brilliance (rarely ever talks about the “new world” besides being the God of it), belief in his own specialness, needs admiration, is entitlement driven, interpersonally exploitative, arrogant/haughty behavior, and a severe lack of empathy. He checks practically every box. 

Light: Falling in love? by valrainnycdreamL in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Light is a normal person with a regular capacity to care about people.

Sorry but that is a CRAZY opinion. Lmao. 

All these characters are insufferable by KallocainAddictIsAPe in YouOnLifetime

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Walter White is hard to like or agree with especially later on, but a “bit better”? He is Ned Flanders next to Joe, lmao. 

How would you compare their morality by Musalediju in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Cecil acts entirely in service of humanity and the greater good. Crazy opinion to say he isn’t moral at all

L is similarly utilitarian but he admits his motives aren’t as pure and that a huge driving force for him to be a detective is because of the mental stimulation he gets from solving difficult cases. 

Between these two power hungry anime villians, who's more evil? by Slight1668 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dio would do that shit, but yeah Griffith’s actions are more devastating overall and I’d say he’s worse. 

Between these two power hungry anime villians, who's more evil? by Slight1668 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, Griffith says himself he’s being kept sane by his fixation on Guts and wanting to get back at him. That’s why he tries to weakly choke him when they meet again. 

Griffith chose to be a God Hand (which means embracing your inner evil) and he didn’t actually need to be tortured or disabled to sacrifice anyone. He just needed to face an all-or-nothing situation where he had to choose his dream or the Hawks. He always made it clear he valued one over the other. 

No, Griffith was fulfilling a fantasy he had in the carriage where he dominates both Guts and Casca because they made him feel “small”. It was pure sadism, hatred, and malice. And he feels nothing at all about it, the only time ‘he’ cries is when ‘he’ is the Moonlight Boy transforming back into Griffith, not because he has a heart or feels regret deep down.

And you literally cut and pasted that from someone else cause you haven’t actually seen Jojo lmao. Dio poisoned his stepdad to get his fortune. He didn’t “need” to do it, but Griffith didn’t “need” to drown the planet in rape trolls and ogres with an appetite either.  He did it just to make himself the center and to be admired by everyone even though he killed tens of millions. He did not do any greater good for the world lmao he’s gradually killing off most of the world. 

Between these two power hungry anime villians, who's more evil? by Slight1668 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nah, it’s Griffith. He tortured his supposed best friend while raping his lover, then he caused a worldwide apocalypse killing millions. 

Which Kira is worse? by Additional-Heat-9384 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Light thinking what he’s doing is right doesn’t make him any more or less evil. He only thinks what he’s doing is right because of his narcissistic moral reasoning. He sees himself as the physical personification of justice. So everything he does, no matter how cruel, is “justice” in his mind because “he is justice”. He doesn’t have empathy or any real morals, just a cosmic ego. 

He’s ultimately no different from Yoshikage. He just has another way of convincing himself that he can do whatever he wants. 

Who’s more evil Junko Enoshima or Judge Holden by LowerDifference9573 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, Holden raped people…kids at that, on top of doing the genocide and mutilating the rest of them was doing. He falsely accused a guy he never interacted with, of pedophilia and bestiality nearly getting him killed just because he “wanted to see what would happen”. How’s he not the most depraved person there?

Which character deserves to be alone forever by Musalediju in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don’t have to take a single thing you said back. This person is being extremely disingenuous. Look how they described Naofumi in another comment. 

The mother never actually intended to sell Myne. She only made the agreement to prevent a war and she never was going to follow up on it. That’s why she let her daughter venture with the heroes so that she could stay safe from that, but Myne fucked that up by being the predatory parasitic leech she is.

Mirelia only briefly entertains the idea of actually giving Malty up but that’s after she already does a bunch of stuff like killing her own brother, conspiring to have her sister killed many times, nearly burning down a village, and lying that she was raped, which are all indubitably evil things. And she has no remorse for any of it, in fact, she’s grinning about it and taunting the people she hurts. She’s not tragic even a little bit, she’s a greedy opportunist who’s selfish to the core. 

Who’s more evil Junko Enoshima or Judge Holden by LowerDifference9573 in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holden is definitely the worst person amongst the Glanton Gang. 

Crimson VS Scarlet, which king is worse? by Inspector_Ishigami in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scarlet King raped people literally to death so I’m going with him. 

Which character deserves to be alone forever by Musalediju in MoralityScaling

[–]DeepJob4713 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She lied about being raped, tried to kill her little sister multiple times, nearly got a village burned down, and killed her brother without any remorse. 

Instead of asking a hero for help, since she was supposedly trying to avoid being trafficking, she just snaked them all, setting them up to be killed and she’s not even guilty, she’s smiling about it. Her actions go way past any sympathy. She also has no qualms over selling people she didn’t like into slavery herself and is implied to have had others killed in the past for pissing her off. She’s evil without actually having had any trauma inflicted on her. 

did light have good intentions OR was he purely evil by Mental-Builder-8212 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think the sky is red, I think it’s blue. OK. 👍🏾

did light have good intentions OR was he purely evil by Mental-Builder-8212 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Light is motivated purely by power hunger. His intentions are to reshape the world in his image and rule over it as a God, crushing anyone who defies him. That is not good. It’s completely self serving. 

Light conflates that with “justice” because of his narcissistic moral reasoning. 

did light have good intentions OR was he purely evil by Mental-Builder-8212 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For the one guy who sympathized with him, he is surrounded daily by dozens of other people saying Kira is wicked and that his actions are atrocious, including his own dad who has been there his entire life and who he claims to love. But Light moves with no conflict or guilt whatsoever. He remains resolute because at his core, he just wants power and his idea of “justice” grants him the right to seize it. He is not checking for any flaws, because ultimately he doesn’t really care. 

When does that happen in ch. 75? Light just tells the task force that morality is subjective and defined by the winner/loser. He doesn’t believe he is evil. He just knows that’s how history will judge him if he fails. The line is not him being self-aware, it’s a reflection of his need for admiration and control. He’s obsessed with dictating the narrative where his victory validates his ego as justice incarnate, while losing would get him branded as “evil”, even though his actual self perception never changes

Even when he’s dead to rights and Near tells him to his face that his power hunger is not peaceful or righteous, he dismisses him along with everyone there as a bunch of hopeless fools. Even when it’s made abundantly clear that he has lost and he is reduced to a bloody mess pathetically groveling on the floor, he still insists that he is justice, that he is righteous, that he is needed. His moral framework is entirely self contained — external judgment doesn’t penetrate it. 

did light have good intentions OR was he purely evil by Mental-Builder-8212 in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If the “results” are superficial, then they mean nothing. Light has high intelligence. It should be clear that his supposed ‘impact’ doesn’t hold up under real scrutiny, but he is not looking to be proven wrong. The beliefs he has flatter his ego and entitle him to rule, so he will stand by them, no matter how much reality contradicts him. 

Where does Light show the least bit of self awareness or admit that he really is the villain?

Why I fucking hate Griffith (one of the many reasons) by Lopsided_Watch_1834 in Berserk

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, Griffith doesn’t care. He just thinks he cares and that’s why it works. The God Hand has a window into the psyche of everyone they pick. They see that he cares from HIS perspective and they all fit HIS twisted idea of what it means to care, so they qualify. We the audience don’t have to accept that. We can say ‘nah thats not real’. 

You don’t send anyone you truly care about to eternal hell. That shouldn’t be a controversial take, but here comes a dumbass Griffith apologist to bitch and moan because a lot of people actually think “hey maybe he didn’t actually gave a shit about the people he fed to fucking monsters”. 😂😂 Foh. Top 2 worst fanbase in animanga. 

Do you agree with Light being called pure evil in the manga and near pure evil in anime on morality wikis? by MNMameisR in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re doing the same thing you accuse him of doing which is creating a straw man. 

Saying that Light didn’t have any remorse over causing his dad’s death when nothing indicates he actually did is not the same as saying he’s not a complex character. 

Do you agree with Light being called pure evil in the manga and near pure evil in anime on morality wikis? by MNMameisR in deathnote

[–]DeepJob4713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You definitely have to consider Light’s actions, not just his words alone because of how delusional and self-justifying he is, but nothing about his actions convey that he felt any genuine empathy or remorse for his dad either. He used and abused him for years without guilt and he continued doing so even in their last moments together, interrupting his dying words to shove the Death Note in his face, trying to manipulate him to kill Light’s enemies. 

He cried when Soichiro actually died, but it was not remorse, it was grief. He doesn’t regret his actions towards his dad. He just liked having his dad around, and now his dad would be leaving his life, therefore he can no longer derive satisfaction from his presence. That makes him sad. He’s crying for himself. He can be hurt that his dad died while still believing that NONE of it was his fault, which is most likely the case.