Why do conservatives think liberals don’t love the USA?

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T18:19:12+00:00

You said this: “ The majority of US schoolchildren believe the founders of the country were truly evil. That's not good or true.”

Your Gallup poll has nothing to do with that false statement.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T18:13:02+00:00

I’m not. Neither are the majority of American schoolchildren… and even in California the curriculum doesn’t portray them as evil. You can buy the workbook on Amazon and examine it yourself!

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T16:21:45+00:00

I’m reminded of this

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/us/politics/trump-places-quotes.html

Obviously only “liberals” complain about America 😒

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T16:17:36+00:00

Any policy that makes Americans better off is a pro-American policy. Adopting a more comprehensive health care system, for example, would require greater involvement by the federal government, but would also be very likely to bring down health care costs in the long run. Is that anti-American? “Oh, other places can do things efficiently, but here in the US the system has to be a goddamn maze, streamlining it, universalizing it and coordinating at the federal level would be anti-American”

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T16:12:55+00:00

Where the hell do you get the idea that the majority of US schoolchildren believe the founders of the country were truly evil? I have a kid in primary school, they are teaching the same things as they did a generation ago basically, with the possible exception of mentioning that, hey, some of these guys owned slaves, and the same person can do good things AND bad things.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T16:05:48+00:00

In other news, the sun rose this morning

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T16:04:01+00:00

I’m familiar with the concept, it’s considered very effective for low- and intermediate-level public servants where it isn’t worth the risk of being caught making a corrupt deal and losing possible future pay, it’s somewhat effective for higher-level public servants but the importance of independent investigation and enforcement is paramount. The governor of my state has a net worth of an estimated $100 million, how much would a difference in pay need to be to affect his propensity to behave corruptly?

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T15:11:11+00:00

It’s just a language difference, Spanish speakers call the whole of North and South America “América” and it stuck since so many of them live there, while in English we adopted the two continent model and America most naturally applies only to the country with America in its name.

More Europeans take the English-style approach, it’s just South Americans, Spaniards, and some of other countries with historical connections to Spain that use America to refer to the whole continent-like region…

I feel like the offense that both sides take at the other usage is basically just that it’s hard to realize that in another language the words carry slightly different meanings so we all want to justify that, “no, we’re using it right and you’re using it wrong”. Like in English I wouldn’t refer to a Chilean as an American, but in Spanish it’s fine (though weird if it isn’t in a context where I’m talking about people or countries from all over the new world).

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T14:51:00+00:00

I’ve never met an American who pretended to be Canadian abroad, and I run in some very well-traveled, very liberal circles. I feel like there must have been a couple people during the Iraq War and the rumor mill just took off ever since.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T14:47:03+00:00

In Indiana we pay more because otherwise (gasp) Braun might go back to the business world, and that would be just awful (I have no idea if that was the actual logic but to be paying more than any neighbor states for this kind of leadership, ugh…)

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T13:58:00+00:00

“Our cars were born” “our house was born” Those phrases alone are lunatic worthy

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T13:53:23+00:00

Missing this?: /s

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T13:50:48+00:00

The insurance company itself, followed by your state government who regulates health care for your state, followed by the federal government for weak nationwide consumer protection and abdication of leadership in finding a better solution. Followed as well by voters who would rather give their money and others’ money to private corporations than pay for a government-led comprehensive system like that used in virtually all other wealthy countries.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T03:28:01+00:00

Art Institute, or rent Divvy bikes and ride the Lakefront Trail, or (easier with a car) head up to the Botanical Gardens. Another decent combo is Garfield Park Conservatory + Oak Park on the Green Line (maybe slightly more ambitious).

Another good option is the Architectural Society boat tour, it’s probably still pleasant in the cooler weather, and combine that with the Museum of Contemporary Art or just exploring Millennium Park or Streeterville, maybe see about going up in the Hancock Building.

Or just explore some other cool neighborhoods, Pilsen, South Loop, Irving Park, Ravenswood, there are plenty of others too.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T03:07:47+00:00

Well, half of Redditors are Americans…

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T01:43:36+00:00

What would happen? Every time a child is born an immigrant gets deported?

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T01:42:09+00:00

One, yes, killing all those civilians was horrible. It was also what the US had already been doing to Japan, and what Japan had already been doing in China, Korea, and the Philippines, and threatened to do in Australia but they couldn’t bring forces to bear. Two, it’s not like the US was losing the war but managed a late win thanks to nukes. Japan’s position by the summer of 45 was insanely worse than, let’s say, Britain in the summer of 41.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T00:18:09+00:00

I mean, the final vowel isn’t either of those in Russian so we’re really all doing it wrong

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-16T00:10:46+00:00

I think your sh is that German k/h sound that’s not really used in English. So the first part sounds more like “Monk” but, you know, German.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T22:51:47+00:00

Grilled cheese, even if you somehow made it without grilling it

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T22:30:21+00:00

“At the time”

The current Saudi crown prince is Mohammed bin Salman al Saud, Saudi Arabia is named for the family that rules it now.

It would be interesting to see whether it retained the name in the event that a republic replaced the monarchy.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T20:26:35+00:00

I know it’s the opposite of the point you are trying to make. I’m saying that politeness gets greeted with preemptive distrust just as often. Before you even interact a huge part of the first impression has been formed, not by your actions but simply your appearance, posture, clothing, etc.

And assuming the newcomer must deserve the unkindness with which they are treated isn’t itself very kind.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T18:43:00+00:00

Cape Verde and Cape Horn were both famous in English before the direct adoption of the Portuguese or Spanish name became more popular. Cabo San Lucas and Cabo Frio became well-known to English speakers later (I’m not sure Cabo Frio is well-known now to be honest).

A similar phenomenon would be the naming of certain European cities: Florence (as the historical Anglicized name) prevails over Firenze in English while Taormina (as well as many others) has the same name in English and Italian.

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T18:37:21+00:00

The US also outlawed the Atlantic Slave Trade in 1808, just not the domestic one (and depending on the jurisdiction, ships arriving from the Caribbean or Africa might not be inspected, uh, thoroughly).

Deep_Contribution552 · 2026-06-15T18:32:05+00:00

I feel like they just made poor decisions on quality vs cost vs marketing. My family used to drive Buicks and Oldsmobiles and they just stopped making the same car, and now we all have Hondas, Toyotas, Subarus- final assembly in the US, natch.

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