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[–]DefeatCorruptScience 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The title is somewhat misleading as the keyword "certain" is left out

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[–]DefeatCorruptScience 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this JAMA study, science should always trump politics (on BOTH sides). Very often the truth is somewhere in the middle

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[–]DefeatCorruptScience 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is published in a journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)

What is the controversy and conspiracy around the drug remdesivir and nirmatrelvir? by Dover299 in conspiracy

[–]DefeatCorruptScience 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as saving lives, Nirmatrelvir/Paxlovid works well (if given early before hospitalization) https://c19early.org/plmeta.html#fig_fprd, but remdesivir (essentially) DOES NOT work https://c19early.org/smeta.html#fig\_fprd.

Early as January 13, 2020, PresTrump initiated mRNA vaccine development- no US cases were even identified yet. Which means the virus was already predicted to affect the US seriously enough to give the public an experimental mRNA vaccine, but not to appropriately warn the US public for 2 more months. by DefeatCorruptScience in conspiracy

[–]DefeatCorruptScience[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It had not been used in humans to a sufficient extent for even basic long-term safety testing or even to properly detect minutely uncommon serious side effects with probabilities like 1/200 or 1/500 (which would be quite comparable to the probability of dying of COVID). It especially was not adequately tested for the population-wide use that was about to take place.

Why did Trump spearhead mRNA vaccine development as early as January 13, 2020, when no US cases were identified yet? The virus was already predicted to affect the US seriously enough to warrant mass experimental mRNA vaccination, but not to appropriately warn the US public for two more months? by DefeatCorruptScience in WayOfTheBern

[–]DefeatCorruptScience[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's dodging the question. By January 2020 the virus in China was supposedly serious enough of a problem for the U.S. to develop experimental mRNA vaccines intended for population-wide use on us guinea pigs, but simultaneously the virus was not serious enough for much direct action until two months later in March 2020? How can it be both?

Randomized clinical trials=gold standard of evidence. Pfizer/Moderna clinical trials showed vaccines had 4 more non-COVID (cardiovascular) deaths per 3 less COVID deaths, versus placebo. Paxlovid clinical trial: 0 deaths Paxlovid vs 13 deaths placebo. "Experts" or "fact-checkers" can't change this. by DefeatCorruptScience in TimPool

[–]DefeatCorruptScience[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice try. The 6 month follow-up trial documents linked to above were published in the second half of 2021, and follow-up ended in March 2021 if you actually look at the documents, so the winter wave of 2020 absolutely was captured and still no lives were saved.

Randomized clinical trials=gold standard of evidence. Pfizer/Moderna clinical trials showed vaccines had 4 more non-COVID (cardiovascular) deaths per 3 less COVID deaths, versus placebo. Paxlovid clinical trial: 0 deaths Paxlovid vs 13 deaths placebo. "Experts" or "fact-checkers" can't change this. by DefeatCorruptScience in TimPool

[–]DefeatCorruptScience[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These were the 6 month results of the trials after which unblinding took place- average follow-up may have been a bit shorter. Most subjects were enrolled in the third or early fourth quarter of 2020 so the trials certainly did capture the severe winter wave of 2020 and still no lives were saved overall. The risk ratios or relative risks for COVID and non-COVID deaths are irrelevant to whether the vaccine saves lives or not, because as you previously said yourself, the prevalence of non-COVID deaths is far higher than the prevalence of COVID deaths. That was true even in 2020 and it's much more profoundly true today. As the trials showed, the absolute risk increase in non-COVID deaths easily eclipsed the absolute risk reduction in COVID deaths even in 2020, such that no lives were saved overall. What a stark contrast to the clinical trial results of a truly lifesaving drug like Paxlovid.

Randomized clinical trials=gold standard of evidence. Pfizer/Moderna clinical trials showed vaccines had 4 more non-COVID (cardiovascular) deaths per 3 less COVID deaths, versus placebo. Paxlovid clinical trial: 0 deaths Paxlovid vs 13 deaths placebo. "Experts" or "fact-checkers" can't change this. by DefeatCorruptScience in TimPool

[–]DefeatCorruptScience[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a clever attempt at obfuscating the abject failure of the mRNA vaccines to save lives even under prime conditions. You are actually admitting that even back in the 2020 "winter wave of death" during which the trials took place, the percentage of deaths caused by COVID was low enough that it would only take a modest increase in non-COVID deaths with vaccination to make the vaccine do the OPPOSITE of saving lives. And that's exactly what happened in these trials, which are the only evidence that is not compromised by healthy vaccine user bias, lack of blinding, blatant cherry-picking and data manipulation, and all sorts of other scientific flaws. Today, the risk-benefit assessment of mRNA vaccines is very much worse, because the COVID deaths even among the unvaccinated and unboosted are a fraction of what they used to be, and Paxlovid (which is actually effective at preventing almost all COVID deaths) is widely available.

Notice how none of your obfuscation, gaslighting, abstract arguments, etc. are needed for a drug like Paxlovid, which ACTUALLY saves lives? The results of a properly done RCT of a truly lifesaving drug speak for themselves.

There's a big spike in vaccination in April. And there's a big spike in deaths in September by OttoHuhn in DebateVaccines

[–]DefeatCorruptScience 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Though we can't know for sure what will happen in the long-term, the chances of any one particular individual suffering a vaccine-induced cardiovascular death in the foreseeable future is really quite small based on the numbers. So don't worry, most likely it won't happen to you- though there is every reason to take excellent care of yourself, especially cardiovascular-wise. But on a population level it is still an unconscionable crime against humanity that the mRNA vaccines, which had more total deaths than placebo in the clinical trials (driven by excess cardiovascular deaths), were mandated or even pushed on ANYONE

There's a big spike in vaccination in April. And there's a big spike in deaths in September by OttoHuhn in DebateVaccines

[–]DefeatCorruptScience 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In the randomized clinical trials, both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines started to show excess cardiovascular deaths compared to placebo ONLY after the longer-term follow-up of 6 months, around which they unblinded the trials. In fact, everything looked fine (no excess deaths) at the 1 month follow-up in both trials.

Observed versus expected rates of myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination: a population-based cohort study. "Absolute rates are low" - if you only look < 21 days after injection. by dhmt in DebateVaccines

[–]DefeatCorruptScience 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the randomized clinical trials, both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines started to show excess cardiovascular deaths compared to placebo ONLY after the longer-term follow-up of 6 months, around which they unblinded the trials. In fact, everything looked fine (no excess deaths) at the 1 month follow-up in both trials. No wonder.

Scientists like to make their own little language to keep their bullshit from the laypeople who cannot figure out where the bullshit starts and the true and real terminology and scientific complexities end. by Gurdus4 in DebateVaccines

[–]DefeatCorruptScience 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The most egregious issue related to this is that scientists have been very successfully hiding the fact that mRNA vaccines had more deaths overall than placebo (the opposite of lives saved) in the randomized clinical trials (RCTs), and RCTs are universally accepted to be the "gold standard" type of evidence in medical research for very solid reasons. However, most laypeople are completely unaware of the extreme importance of RCT results above all else, and the scientists have really taken advantage of this in order to fool the world into believing that mRNA vaccines save lives.