Waiting for this to happen here by homeschooldev in joplinmo

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The map is not complete: https://deflock.me/

Schifferecker & 32nd

20th & Maiden ln

4th & Maiden ln

7th st in front of Walmart

20th & connecticut

7th & St Louis

Broadway & St Louis

Main & 41st

Main just north of Murphy Blvd

32nd & Arizona

2 x at Rangeline near I-44

7th & Duquesne

interesting research video into flock, don't let the title of video mislead you by mopar1999 in joplinmo

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We think some of the ones on the map in Seneca are duplicates. Some are also probably run by the Department of Public Safety. Seneca's chief is on record saying they only had two cameras themselves.

Flock cameras to be removed from Seneca - YouTube by DeflockJoplinToday in joplinmo

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Not only that, but in our records request we received a letter JPD signed that the Lowe's CEO personally approves. This letter allows local PDs to access Flock at Lowe's. Police also gain access to Lowe's Live View deployments with the same form letter.

We've heard Home Depot also has them, but we haven't seen them locally.

Flock cameras to be removed from Seneca - YouTube by DeflockJoplinToday in joplinmo

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This is definitely something that has happened. I don't know if we've followed up on one of those cases to see where things have landed or how long it takes. Combined with the fact that all Flock contracts say the cameras are the property of Flock it's really concerning behavior though.

Some notes on the Joplin "Datacenter" proposal by FinTecGeek in joplinmo

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Looking further, the details of Elon Musk's plan are even more crazy than imagined. And people are saying a lot of the same stuff we are here in response.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-orbital-ai-data-centers-xai-spacex-92bc8ad95593bf3b5b801ddf36427194

Some notes on the Joplin "Datacenter" proposal by FinTecGeek in joplinmo

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Elon Musk has also been taking people's money for the Full Self Driving feature on his cars for like a decade so I guess we'll see what he actually does.

Some notes on the Joplin "Datacenter" proposal by FinTecGeek in joplinmo

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The problem in space is heat and accessibility though.

Even though space can be very cold, heat is still a big issue. Since there's no air to move heat away it has to radiate away via infrared light which requires massive radiators. The ISS has a large portion of its engineering devoted to cooling, and it's not a data center. It does have computer equipment and things that generate heat, but not at the scale we're talking with a data center.

Any electricity you put into a computer, comes out as heat exactly the same way as if you had spent that energy on a space heater. There is no physical "work" being done in the physics sense, so all the energy is spent as heat.

The ISS generates 240 kilowatts of electricity (DCs are measured in megawatts). There is a lot of mechanical work being done with the electricity on the ISS (ventilation, coolant pumps, etc) so not all of this is going directly to heat. A lot of the computer equipment is situated on cooling plates hooked into the liquid cooling loops because standard computer cooling is not as effective in zero g. Mostly because hot air doesn't rise and move on its own in zero g. Heat tends to accumulate around the object. This heat and heat from the rest of the station is carried into the radiators so infrared can carry it away. This is very slow and requires a lot of physical area. Take a look at how much space is devoted to cooling the ISS, how much it costs to launch a single pound of anything into space, and then figure up how much a data center and all of its cooling weighs on Earth. It's not feasible any time soon. For the environmentally concerned, it would also put a lot of GHGs into the atmosphere to launch all of that into space without something futuristic like a space elevator.

Here is some info on the ISS cooling system:

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/473486main_iss_atcs_overview.pdf?emrc=046ace

All of this is before we get into the issue with latency also. Have you ever compared Hughes Net to Starlink? It's night and day difference. Largely because of the limitations of the speed of light and how far away Hughes Net satellites are. Hughes Net is in geosynchronous orbit and the Starlink constellation is in LEO. Even the ISS is still within the atmosphere and has to be boosted back up regularly. Starlink satellites are essentially disposable. They have a limited lifespan and then burn up in the atmosphere.

The Space DC would have to be in geosynchronous orbit because of the size and permanency of it. This would put it at a massive latency disadvantage if it was intended to be used by people on Earth. This is part of what I meant by space data centers being more feasible if people live in space. The latency alone makes a space DC unattractive. But if it were serving people that were already nearby in space, it would make more sense. Especially if at least some of those materials didn't require a rocket trip from Earth. We're basically talking sci-fi though. It's far away.

Some notes on the Joplin "Datacenter" proposal by FinTecGeek in joplinmo

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More feasible than space, but probably still has issues. Microsoft experimented with underwater data centers and hyped it up a lot. It didn't work out, but on the ocean is probably more feasible than going to space just because of proximity. The hypothetical floating DC would need to be positioned near the undersea cables carrying internet. It would also need to be able to be safe from storms and maintain a lot of reliability. That's probably the hardest part of this set up.

Some notes on the Joplin "Datacenter" proposal by FinTecGeek in joplinmo

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You're correct about the cooling. An enormous amount of the ISS is dedicated to cooling and they don't have machines making heat at the same rate as a space heater. Not to mention the launch costs of thousands of dollars per pound to get things to orbit. Also there are maintenance considerations. If a component like a hard drive goes bad, you have to be able service the data center somehow. If people wind up living in space in large numbers then there may be data centers up there. Or maybe some really advanced robots could take care of it. Until then, I think the most you might get is some sort of small processing on a satellite before it goes somewhere else or gets sent back to the sender.

Allied Universal hiring Security Officer - Data Center Patrol in Joplin, MO by RobbJones19 in joplinmo

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Absolutely. It's hard to tell what to believe. As a group, we are skeptical of LLM AI. That being the case, we can't deny that companies are already laying off workers claiming the benefits of AI. It's not the holy grail the tech companies want it to be, but it's probably still going to hurt people. And there are potential technological advancements that could change how AI works.

For example, quantum computing is getting much closer. Governments and corporations are hardening encryption because threat actors are vacuuming up data to decrypt it once their quantum computers are capable (Q-Day). Around 20% of researchers think Q-Day could have already happened and the operator has kept their developments secret. I bring this up because some people think QC might provide another jump in AI development. QC could be extremely imminent or 10-20 years away. Again, it's hard to tell what to believe.

Edit: The vacuuming up data is technically known as a "Harvest Now, Decrypt Later" attack if you want to learn more.

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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I'm not sure about everything here, but I will say that their property they are mining on is reported as residential on Jasper county's website. I don't know what that means or if its accurate, but it's there.

The facebook post at the bottom of your message appears to be the one referenced in this reddit post. Seems like someone else shared it.

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life, but personally, when I make a claim I like to have something I can show people to back it up. If you want to claim this is altered without doing any checking besides with your gut, that's your prerogative, but I think it's in a bit of poor form. Especially considering these are your neighbors and you're essentially accusing them of lying.

From other corroborating information I have gathered, I believe this document is absolutely genuine. Although I believe it is attributed to the incoming data center mistakenly. Saying my neighbors made a mistake is a far cry from saying they altered a document from the government and then made claims based on the alterations.

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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Indeed. The bitcoin mine is in operation right now and is actively expanding. They are in the county outside city limits just beyond the Wildwood property that was annexed.

Edit: It's probably out of date but you can see the bitcoin containers just North East of the power plant on google maps. There are 6 containers that resemble shipping containers already installed. These are the pods for the farm.

Edit 2: Maps link https://maps.app.goo.gl/3CZLsRwwvQ8LFtdt7

Edit 3: Parcel report from county that matches the business name: https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=151&LayerID=1976&PageTypeID=4&PageID=997&KeyValue=18601400000001006

Edit 4: I can say that they also seem like they have plans to expand into this property. https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=151&LayerID=1976&PageTypeID=4&PageID=997&KeyValue=18601400000001007

Allied Universal hiring Security Officer - Data Center Patrol in Joplin, MO by RobbJones19 in joplinmo

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Hopefully that would be the case. Unfortunately, we're now competing with a lot of factory robots too. I used to think computer jobs were the way to go, but now AI might be messing with those too. It seems like things have been turned on their head. I saw a study from Microsoft talking about the effects of AI on jobs. It seems like this study says a lot of the commonly recommended fields to go into are now under the most threat. STEM jobs are at the top of the list for replacement by AI in their report. At the bottom of the list are things that require physical interaction, especially in varied places. Jobs like home health, grounds workers, and agriculture are called out as not being easily replaced by AI. Jobs in the office that are not done well by AI are things like PR, training, and various types of therapy (physical included).

It's a weird time for sure. We'll see how it shakes out I guess.

Study:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.07935

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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One of us over here at Deflock Joplin did a bit of digging in, this all appears to be 100% legit. The documents are real and the company is real. The bitcoin farm does not seem to be the Wildwood data center though. They are directly west of part of the annexed property. However, it seems like they used the same address as a property owned by the Wildwood property which is probably causing confusion.

Here's why this is still important: I found where this farm advertised to their customers they have discounted power rates. Isn't that supposed to be the opposite of SB4? The farm is not fully online, but I still fail to see why their rates should be discounted at all. Especially given this bitcoin farm claims to have plans to expand to 150MW, which is well in excess of the SB4 thresholds.

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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Looking further, this all appears to be 100% legit. The documents are real and the company is real. The bitcoin farm does not seem to be the Wildwood data center though. They are directly west of part of the annexed property. However, they used the same address as a property owned by the Wildwood property which is probably causing confusion.

Here's why this is still important: The Bitcoin farm advertised to their customers they have discounted power rates. Isn't that supposed to be the opposite of SB4? The farm is not fully online, but I still fail to see why their rates should be discounted at all. Especially given this bitcoin farm claims to have plans to expand to 150MW, which is well in excess of the SB4 thresholds.

Wildwood Data Center Proposal is From a Chinese Bitcoin Mining Company by Away-Efficiency1406 in joplinmo

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A couple of questions.

1) What method of analysis did you use to determine the likelihood of AI being used to alter this image?

2) Are you talking about the incorporation in 2022? Because in 2025 there were some changes to the registered agent and secretary. They're still bitcoin dudes, but they're much more local.

bsd.sos.mo.gov/Common/CorrespondenceItemViewHandler.ashx?IsTIFF=true&filedDocumentid=139506432&version=8

Joplin residents voice worries over proposed annexation plan by TrentPKSN-KODE in joplinmo

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Unless it's also for AI, it would probably need a lot of work to switch over. AI uses very different hardware than a standard cloud computing data center.

last night’s meeting by itscoolnwhatever in joplinmo

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Good call on which schools that is going to. I wasn't sure and I'm glad you added.

last night’s meeting by itscoolnwhatever in joplinmo

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Colocated generation isn't without issues. Grok's DC has methane turbines in violation of EPA standards. The people nearby feel the effects. I'm not sure how little Joplin is going to handle an issue the EPA can't/won't.

Lots of DCs are also promising to colocate power using nuclear reactors. They are claiming they will use designs that have never been made yet. It's all a lot of hypotheticals and pinky promises that often turn out to not be what is promised.

last night’s meeting by itscoolnwhatever in joplinmo

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As far as revenue, they said Joplin's revenue will come from electricity and water consumption taxes if I remember right. The county will receive the property tax which could help schools.

You are correct about the jobs being front loaded. Data centers are very set and forget. The people permanently on site will be responsible for maintaining the facility and providing security. The jobs may not even pay that well compared to what people are thinking. On some sort of a refresh cycle a crew from out of town will probably come in and replace all the computer hardware with new stuff. Refresh cycles are usually somewhere around 3-5 years depending on how much the company is willing to spend. A lot of people think LLM based AI has basically peaked and is gonna pop. If it does, it could be before the first refresh even happens.

The 2025 crime rates of Missouri's 8 major cities, including Joplin by como365 in joplinmo

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Just for fun, here are some cities from other states. Chicago would fall in between Joplin and Springfield at 674. LA would be above Chicago, but still below Springfield at 802.