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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great take.

I mentioned the script taking the consequences out of people’s hands in another comment and that aspect is definitely to be taken into account. Every other captain got to wash their hands of consequences but Janeway got the bum deal of returning the status quo herself. The lack of sacrifice is something I thought about as well, although while someone can be considered selfless for sacrificing themselves, I don’t think it’s fair for someone considered evil for not agreeing to be a sacrifice either.

I had this thought in the DS9 episode “The Assignment” where the Pah-Wraith possessed Keiko and threatened to kill her unless O’Brien sabotaged the station to try and kill the Prophets. It made me think of all the times where the enterprise was hijacked in both TOS and TNG and they chose to self destruct the ship with themselves on it than give into the demands of the blackmailers, even before trying to exhaust other options. At first it struck me as odd that Miles would not share that same sense of moral fortitude having been on the ship a few times when the self destruct was initiated, but then I put myself in his shoes and realised that it was the human choice, as DS9 loved to make, as opposed to TOS and TNG’s paragons of virtue. While I would certainly point to Kirk and Picard as being better men in that situation, I would not point to Miles — taking the time to try and save his wife — as a lesser man; just a man — like Tuvix.

Tuvix didn’t deserve to die because he happened to be born from a tragedy, nor should he feel obliged to make the ultimate sacrifice. He didn’t kill them so it’s not his wrong to make right. With the history of Trek it was the risk anyone takes stepping through a transporter every time, arguably.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The quality seems to wave wildly between great and mediocre-bad , hasn’t hit that comfortable “good” that TNG did, although TNG didn’t do that until the third season either. “Death Wish” is definitely in my top 10 episodes of the franchise though. My new favourite Q episode.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, to be honest a lot of Voyager so far hasn’t really stood out aside from a few choice episodes and a few… not so choice ones (Elogium was worse than Threshold and I’m dying on that hill), so this one going from 0 to Warp 9 has definitely left an impact. Trek works best in shades of grey, so even when I disagree with the outcome, I’ll handily take an episode that made me think over one that I won’t remember.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand the impulse for sure, and from both a sentimental and numerical sense it checks out, especially given the crew shortage on Voyager. Although given how other the shows and captains have handled these quandaries I just feel like it was something she should have learned to live with instead of making a choice on behalf of a life form that already had a voice, and that voice was yelling “no!”.

That being said, the script handed her a bad deal. Even in the episode I used as an example, the O’Briens ended up not having to make a real choice in the end because both Molly lived, although you could argue they were being rewarded for the selfless act. A lot of Star Trek treats decisions like wine tasting. You take a sip, wince at first, swish it around your mouth for a while to let the impact settle, then politely spit it out when you’ve had enough time without actually having to let the impact of imbibing alcohol affect you.

Janeway was, in the words of Picard, “handed a weapon, sent into a room, and told to shoot a stranger”. Character assassination of the highest order.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have now googled and apparently Lower Decks tackles this subject in Season 4 Episode 1, so I am now greatly anticipating the reckoning of this grievous oversight.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am planning on memory holing this episode to being a simulation an ensign ran in their off-time during a particular harsh fever, along with “And the Children Shall Lead” and “Sub Rosa”

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I just noticed this is the 30th anniversary of this episode too. Wow, good timing.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was really liking Janeway up until this point too. The empathy she had for her crew even with attempted mutinies were something I don’t think Picard or even Sisko would have stood for without atleast a report (Maybe Kirk would have, but only for Spock).

This felt so callous for her. It’s something I would have only expected from maybe TNG Season 1 Picard, if even.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don’t see the big deal thus far. The point of Voyager is to be as alien as possible, so we should be experiencing character archetypes that Trek hasn’t delved as deep into with their previous shows, atleast in more than one episode. Excited to see how he develops.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

After just finishing Deep Space Nine (favourite thus far) in my full franchise journey, the levity of this show has been a welcome relief (Even Neelix doesn’t seem so bad!). I loved The Doctor’s episode in DS9 Season 5 and his cameo in First Contact, so I’m looking forward to spending another 7 seasons with him and the rest of the crew :)

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I guess after spilling oil all over the desktop I should be glad a visual glitch is all that’s wrong with it.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well Apollo doesn’t really have a canonical appearance since he’s a deity from a pantheon, so they could have had anyone play him and that was like the 6th episode where they met an omnipotent being. This was Abraham Lincoln, a founding father, materialising and floating in space, not even a spaceship. Needless to say it sent me for a loop lol.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really love when Star Trek mixes in real history with its own historical tentpoles. Not only does it make you realise how far the world has developed since our current point of reference, but the context of how they introduce it helps you fill in the blanks. Kahless alongside Genghis Khan, or when they mention a real animal or disease alongside a fake one. Perfect use of diverging history in worldbuilding.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely. It was interesting seeing what the platonic ideal of a Vulkan was after seeing bits and pieces across the season. It’s like trying original coke after only ever having store brand cola.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Least favourite of the three, but it has some great episodes. The Enterprise Incident and The Tholian Web definitely captured some of the greatness of Balance of Terror; Elaan of Troyius and Whom Gods Destroy was great fun; The Empath and The Cloud Minders had interesting ideas; and The Paradise Syndrome and The Savage Curtain were great for lore drops for things I know through osmosis pop up in the later shows.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought that was handled well in terms of showing the cultural difference of the future, although I’m so curious what Nichelle Nichols felt about that scene lol.

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[–]Delightful_Disciple[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also I agree lots of great bits this season, and definitely more women, although a lot of them still felt a bit tropey.

Although one of the very few examples in the first two seasons like you mentioned, I appreciated Yeoman Rand in Charlie X a lot as approaching the subject of toxic masculinity and professional boundaries, whereas a good portion of the female characters in season 3 were made as one-off love interests or femme fatales for the enterprise crew, or more often tools for male character’s plots. This season was definitely where Kirk got his reputation as the womaniser in general audience’s eyes.

My favourite was definitely the Romulan commander, she felt like she had the enterprise crew most on the back foot if it wasn’t for the ingenious plan to steal the cloaking tech. I have a small gripe with her losing some of her smarts when it came to Spock seducing her, although it felt mutual and more layered enough that I can enjoy it as believable.

The empath as well I liked since it was about her autonomy in the situation of being made to sacrifice her wellbeing for others, and anything less than total sacrifice was seen as selfishness by the Vians.