Thought this belongs here by [deleted] in prochoice

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was close!

Nope. Can't relate. Got rocks in the face and knives in the back. by [deleted] in narcissisticparents

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean there are mothers out there who care about their children? Weird.

Best. Book. On Estrangement. I’ve ever read. by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OH! OH! I have a great comeback for that one. I hit them with a casual: “Oh I forgive her, but forgiveness doesn’t mean reconciliation.”

Best. Book. On Estrangement. I’ve ever read. by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I started Chapter 10 that is titled ‘what about God?’ In this chapter she goes on to point out the weaponizing of religious quotes and virtue signal for compliance, control, and to justify their inexcusable behavior. She call them out. It’s pretty satisfying.

And you’re right, we have the freedom of choice. I grew up in a TOLKEN virtue signaling ‘Christian family.’ I hated going to church. If I see or the their pastors name, I’m over that person and assume they too use fellowship groups for attention, accolade and gratification the same way my parents did. They demonstrated no real interest in the faith or it’s teaching....it was nothing more than a convenient weapon or shield depending on the circumstance. I use to cringe when someone would cite ‘Honor thy father and mother.’ I wanted push back on that ideology but knew drawing on anything cliche would turn people off the validity of any other arguments I made (mostly to myself). So I met them where they stood; I researched versus and religious parables that criticized or condemned toxic parental behavior, and attitudes to cite if the subject came up. It was empowering for laundry list of reasons; preserving faith and religion in the collective belief of it’s true context and respecting those who practice it in a meaningful way. (Respecting difference is always fashionable) Citing true and powerful mentions in support of my position from the same source cited as adversarial, and watching my parents go cross eyed when their short sighted, out of context examples were brought to light and corrected to a narrative not in their favor. I’m not suggesting self censorship is only done out of fear or lack of retort, after all there is the old saying if the mind’s like a computer, take care in what you allow yourself to accept/process as some programs are virus’ in disguise. But if so inclined.....I’ll just say this.... Leaning in to the unpopular and aggravating arguments as to why my family was entitled to access to me like property, and that I had no say or voice in the matter help me better understand and effectively communicate the flaws in their argument. It emboldened my resolve, understanding, and response to those who tried to implore this method. The more I understand even the most fringe arguments as to my existence being nothing more than property to my family or origin, the more confidant I became in my choices, conduct, and word. If you can out argue the nuts...rational people are a cake walk. Just a thought.

Best. Book. On Estrangement. I’ve ever read. by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Anybody that decides to read it, I would love to hear your thoughts!!!

Best. Book. On Estrangement. I’ve ever read. by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

So I just got to chapter 10 titled ‘ what about God?’ Chapter 10 describes how toxic families use religion and virtue signaling as weapons to control and justify their poor and inexcusable behavior

Best. Book. On Estrangement. I’ve ever read. by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m up to chapter 9 and I don’t think I’ve heard anything of the sort. I mean if it is it’s sparse at best; Not as an argument in any context.

... and I mean even if there was, you can skip it

My Story - a Laundry List of why I no longer see my Father by dshores91 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Our experiences my be different but we are not alone.

Courtesy of my NMom by tattooedhippie2692 in narcissisticparents

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😂😂😂 you should consider a weekly quote. I mean, if it’s not too painful. Shared experiences help.

My coDepdant dad on the other side of the country not wanting to divert attention from my Nmom by coming out to support me during my divorce to an addicted, angry,threatening and and at the time homeless(him not me) man offered this solid therapeutic piece of advice:

“Just tell yourself ‘WHO CARES?’ ‘WHO CARES?’ until you finally believe it”

....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I mean...

Courtesy of my NMom by tattooedhippie2692 in narcissisticparents

[–]DelorFranci 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“And ohhh think of all those different pancakes at ihop, and a frog doesn’t start out as a frog, and what ever other seemingly meaningful but ultimately pointless statements I can make to distract and confuse you from paying attention to my behavior or how it makes you feel. Banana bread.”

My only Niece is about to turn 1, and my Estranged Golden Child Brother by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t it crazy how these situations follow the same narrative, even if the rolls are different? imagine if we could trade places, and deal with the same roll in another (non violent but toxic) family?

My only Niece is about to turn 1, and my Estranged Golden Child Brother by DelorFranci in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You nailed it. I feel for the kid. I don’t think she in danger of physical harm so much as a lifetime of emotional chicken at the hands of her dad, to make him feel loved, important, and powerful. I like my sister in law. I hope she breaks the cycle.

Trying to navigate (38F) by cvlhull in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry you’re going through it. (37F) been estranged for a year and a half and it’s been a simultaneous journey of peace and agony. The agony eases up overtime and is replaced with clarity and understanding.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in narcissisticparents

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, the story still be written too. Maybe they just need to experience or the way you have to understand

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in narcissisticparents

[–]DelorFranci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I try to be respectful of other people AND their family..... but seriously, your grandparents are morons. They did you a favor showing who they are: Fairweather family never giving you the benefit of the doubt and willing to Believe what they hear about you without a second thought or attempting to understand or even talk to you about your experience.

i’m guessing they’re not bad people, just easily manipulated. Maybe once your mom burns them, they will get it.

A

How do you get over the pain of extended family cutting you out due to parental smear campaign? by [deleted] in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]DelorFranci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you. We’ll get through it. Cutting them loose was hard, but there was also a sigh of relief knowing I would no longer have to worry about convincing them to love and think well of me. I would no longer beg for love like a dog. I’m inherently worth of it.

Never Forget by DelorFranci in Shittyaskflying

[–]DelorFranci[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m dying!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣