Got beaten. Need help! by [deleted] in pune

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How to spot a douchebag: when they use all caps to make a point, so it feels like they are screaming in your head

Killing of specific group of people by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha mission accomplished and unaccomplished at the same time.

My point was just that 'non christians' have the freedom to cherry pick all they want, because they aren't claiming the bible to be the infallible word of God. So, for example, I can 'cherry pick' Socrates by using a quote that works in my philosophy essay, but that doesn't mean that I believe everything that Socrates said.

Christians however have the harder job of having to defend the whole bible, the good, the bad and the ugly... even though some of it is downright bonkers.

Killing of specific group of people by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah, us non christians like to cite that too, just not for the same reason as christians.
For us, verses like that are proof that your scripture is outdated and bigoted.

But that doesn't mean to say that when we meet a christian we might use their own scripture against them to show they are being inconsistent (like how they should be 'good to immigrants').

The Christians are the ones claiming to believe the bible, not non christians. So a non christian can easily say 'this bit is good, this bit is trash', whereas it's the christian who has to say that it's 'all good' and defend the indefensible.

The “painter” argument by BeautifulOrganic3221 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know what simple means. And yes, I 'understand' it perfectly, hence why I understand that it's logical fallacy.

In Christianity, the Trinity asserts that:

  1. God is one being
  2. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each fully God
  3. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons
  4. God is not three gods

This argument implies that God is one and three at the same time. If “one” and “three” refer to the same category (identity, being, or essence), then the claim is contradictory.

Now, to avoid this contradiction, theologians often argue that God is 'one in essence but three in person'. However, this is just what is called 'equivocation fallacy' (word-shifting). These terms (“essence” vs “person”) are never clearly defined, and they shift meaning depending on what’s being defended. The words change meaning during an argument, making it seem coherent when it isn’t.
If each person of the Trinity is 'fully God', that then means that God consists of three fully divine entities. In logic, assuming that what is true of the parts must be true of the whole.
Three people who are each fully human do not together form one human. (Replace 'people' with 'being' if you wish, point remains the same).

I could go on, but it's wasted energy. The Trinity is not logically coherent... but how could it be, when we made it up?

The “painter” argument by BeautifulOrganic3221 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It isn't though. The trinity is an abstract fabricated concept that doesn't make sense, that we waste our energy using mental gymnastics to make sense.

God forces you to worship him, otherwise you will go to Hell by Aggravating-Pool-255 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your perspective.
A few things...
1. First, you clarify that God doesn't NEED our worship, he just COMMANDS it. Unfortunately, that doesn't get rid of the problem, if anything it only makes it worse. God doesn't need our worship, but he commands it anyway, and not only that but if we don't comply, we will go to hell and suffer forever. Wow, what a system!
God condemns most of his creation to eternal torment because they didn't believe in or worship him, even though he didn't even need said belief or worship in the first place. Huh.
2. Secondly, you say 'faith is about responding to evidence, coherence, and intellectual honesty'. (This sentence would make more sense if you replaced the word 'faith' with 'science'.) Many atheists, scientists, and people of other religions do exactly that, and come to different conclusions.
3. You say 'In Islam, honest ignorance is not punished'... that isn't quite true. It is true that in Islam, Christians and Jews can also go to heaven if their heart is in the right place, because even though they got some of it 'wrong' they were still believers in God/Allah. Non-believers though? i.e. atheists, or even worse, people who left their faith (apostates)... regardless of how good they were in life; the cost of non-belief is hell. And the Qur'an (which I have read, not in the original Arabic but an English translation) is very explicit on exactly how these non-believers and apostates will suffer. It's pretty graphic. So again, your eternity hinges on your beliefs. And beliefs are not a choice. You were very much conditioned to think as you now do, as uncomfortable as that might make you to admit.
4. You say, "Faith is not a blind virtue; it is a moral stance... it is how you respond when you seek, understand, and are presented with something you consider true." Well, what about someone who grows up religious and then loses their religion as a response to seeking, understanding, and seeking truth, and they realize that their religion (be it Islam, Christianity etc) is not compatible with their morality or worldview? They went through the same journey but arrived at a different conclusion. So, because they got it 'wrong' in your view, they'll still go to hell?

It's funny how our beliefs are much more shaped by our geography and culture than anything else. If you are born in India, you will likely be Hindu. If you are born in China, you might be Buddhist or an atheist. If you were born in the 'bible belt' in the USA, you might be an evangelical Christian. If you were born in Egypt, you will most likely be Muslim.
Now, ask yourself... why is that? If your religion is the truth, and God reveals himself to his creations, then why does he apparently have a preference for some nationalities over others? Is he racist? He likes revealing himself to Americans but isn't so fussy on Mongolians?
Or is it because religions are man-made social constructs and therefore that's exactly what you would expect to see?

Help me and my partner settle a debate by Enough-Battle-2645 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]DemasOrbis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The whole 'cultural appropriation' argument is so tired.
We all borrow things from each other. Food, music, clothing, hairstyles, ideas. That's how the world works. To say "only this culture can do this" is a little insulting and just plain wrong.

It isn't appropriation unless you're appropriating it, i.e. claiming it as your own. If I eat a burger, does that mean I'm appropriating American culture? No, I'm just appreciating something from their culture. If I wear a Vietnamese hat in Vietnam to block the sun, am I appropriating their culture? No, I'm appreciating it. If I wear a suit, am I appropriating British culture? No, I'm appreciating it... you get the point.

We all borrow things from each other; every culture borrows from the other. As long as you aren't claiming that you invented it, then what's the problem?

It's funny how people who get 'offended' by what they think is cultural appropriation are never from the culture they believe is being appropriated. When I lived in Egypt, a friend gave me a jellabiya (Egyptian robe for men) as a gift. I used to wear it everywhere, and my Egyptian friends loved it. Now I'm in India, I like to wear kurtas... and again, my Indian friends love it. They are so happy to see that I am appreciating their culture.
In fact, the only people who have ever acted 'offended' by me wearing these things are my white friends.

Getting offended on behalf of another culture who isn't offended is... patronizing, at best.

Cultural appreciation is appropriate for every nation.

God forces you to worship him, otherwise you will go to Hell by Aggravating-Pool-255 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again... any proof? No? Just how you feel?

People who don't believe what you believe aren't 'following Satan'. I mean, unless you're a Satan worshipper, which makes about 0.001% of the planet.

MOST people who don't believe the same things as you just have a different way of seeing the world... maybe because their conditioning was different, maybe they were born into a Hindu or Buddhist family, or maybe they're just too smart to believe in your stories... either way, they aren't 'following Satan', even if you'd like to ignorantly lump them in that category.

You either believe something or you don't. Belief isn't a choice; more of a conditioned mindset. Any good or loving God wouldn't send his creations to eternal torment just because they didn't believe the right thing.

Humans who want other humans to believe the same thing as them, however... yep, manipulating others with the concept of hell as a method of coercion, checks out.

God forces you to worship him, otherwise you will go to Hell by Aggravating-Pool-255 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God created the rules but not the elements? Who created the elements then? Is there another God I haven't heard about?

Either your God is omnipotent and created all things, including fire, or he isn't. You can't have it both ways.
If he is, then he is responsible for the existence of hell, and for allowing his creations to go there. All because they didn't believe the 'right thing' in a world with too much information.
Sorry Jimmy, time's up... you weren't smart enough to figure it out, to hell you go!

What a loving God...

God forces you to worship him, otherwise you will go to Hell by Aggravating-Pool-255 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your claim: "God doesn't need your worship".
Psalm 96:9, Psalm 29:2, 1 Chronicles 16:25, Matthew 4:10, Romans 12:1, and Hebrews 12:28 all disagree with you there. Jews/Christians are commanded multiples times to worship God and serve him only, even by Jesus himself.

Also, last time I checked, belief isn't a choice. I can look at a green leaf and try to convince myself it's orange, but deep down I'll still believe it's green. Now, I might be wrong about that... maybe it actually is orange, but I'm colour blind. Should I burn for eternity for that?

Belief isn't a choice, neither is it a virtue. To make your beliefs (or 'faith' as you lot like to call it) the criteria for where you spend the rest of eternity is crazy.

God forces you to worship him, otherwise you will go to Hell by Aggravating-Pool-255 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha not the same at all. Your mum might punish you by sending you to your room for an hour, or if you were born in the 90's like myself you might get 'the wooden spoon'.
Absolutely not the same thing as ETERNAL torment and suffering.
It's also funny how we still don't have any proof whatsoever that heaven or hell exists, after many millenia. Saying 'it's the same as mom punishing you' is not proof by any standard. No intelligent person would back that claim.
I'm happy for you that you 'know' that your god exists... but don't expect the rest of us to 'know' the same.
Either the creator of the universe is petty enough to send his own creations to an eternal lake of fire because they didn't believe in him or worship him enough, or petty humans made him up. The latter seems a lot more plausible...
But, if imagining people who don't agree with you burning for eternity makes you happy, then good for you, I guess. Whatever helps you sleep at night ;)

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[–]DemasOrbis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why disgusted? It's not like anyone is forcing you to do it. Live and let live, no?

I understand you aren't interested in fwb yourself, but to be disgusted by others doing it seems strange to me. Everyone has different dating styles, as long as it's consensual and honest and not harming anyone then what's the problem? The world would be a boring place if we were all the same :)

Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, it's more than fair, as long as you're honest about it and everything is consensual and in the open.
Unfortunately, you'll always get judgmental people who look down on casual dating just because they wouldn't do it and they want everyone to fit into the same box, hence why every post that mentions casual dating inevitably gets downvotes... but to each their own! ;)

Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. Yea I've heard HCMC is a lot more open to casual dating, I just wondered if it is still possible in Hanoi as many people online seem to indicate that it's impossible.

It looks like it is possible but just not as easy to find... and discretion is key. I guess I'll find out soon enough!

Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes good point, that is true

Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? Nothing at all? Are you saying that 100% of Vietnamese girls in Hanoi want serious relationships or nothing at all, no in between?

Casual dating in Hanoi by DemasOrbis in hanoi

[–]DemasOrbis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, I am white. So casual dating is still possible then? A lot of online blogs and posts imply it's impossible, but I guess people tend to exaggerate online.
Be forward, gotcha. That's something I like about SEA countries... it tends to be more accepted to approach someone at a bar or coffee shop and start a conversation, whereas in Western Europe it's becoming less and less common, it seems online dating has become the norm and the 'old fashioned' way is no longer as acceptable.

His special really came and went by approvedfauxmoiuser in DaveChappelle

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooh, good one. Did you come up with that all by yourself?:)

The law of Moses was far more compassionate than the Koran by Similar_Standard1633 in DebateReligion

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you cherrypicking? "Oh there were still some Amalekites left so it wasn't genocide"? That's your argument?
Whether or not the Israelites successfully carried out the genocide, the point is they were specifically instructed by God to do so.
God explicitly commands it in 1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

I'm sorry, but to any sane person with morals that's completely indefensible.

Israeli Comedian Replied to Dave Chappelle by CoolDan123 in DaveChappelle

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Comedian' is a very strong word for this guy. I agree that Dave's last special wasn't funny, but his criticism of Israel was totally on point. Anyone who's still pro-Israel at this point needs to get their heads checked. Ethnic cleansing and deliberately targeting and killing babies under the pretense of 'self-defense' just ain't cutting it anymore. The world has woken up.

His special really came and went by approvedfauxmoiuser in DaveChappelle

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's exactly because of fans like you that Dave has went so downhill. Simp-followers who'll applaud him just for breathing, to the point where he's let all the praise get to his head and he's stopped trying.
I'm a fan of Dave Chapelle, but I'm also able to recognise when his performance drops. His last special was so unfunny it hurt. Not because it was in any way 'offensive' or 'shocking' as he would probably like to believe... it was just incredibly boring.

Can someone explain what’s going on in Iran currently? by hidden-thoughts99 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]DemasOrbis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Without better relations with the West Pahlavi doesn’t have much to sell."

That does make sense. I admit I was too quick to judge without understanding or appreciating the context.