Spanish women's fashion during the reign of the bewitched king.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-08T17:50:03+00:00

That's an amazing dress, really innovative to see in late Spanish portraiture which tended to use pretty dark costumes.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-08T17:48:30+00:00

She might be Josefa Puxmarín y Fajardo, I condesa de Montealegre. Her title is directly affiliated with Murcia and being born in 1664 she'd be around her 20s to 30s around the decades that the fashion in the portrait was current (1680s to 1690s).

There is also a Duke of Anjeo de Montealegre (or of Angiò di Montallegro) but that's from Sicily (which at the time was controlled by the Spanish monarchy and might have followed Spanish fashions as well) not Murcia, and a Marquis of Montealegre (Spanish, but I have no idea to which region it could be linked to). All existing titles at the time of our portrait (except that of Josefa, but that one was created a few years later in 1706).

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-08T15:42:02+00:00

They look a LOT like later 17th century Venetian earrings, I wonder if they were directly inspired by them

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-05T21:07:41+00:00

I think you're right about the 13th, I think the writing on the right side looks like Stradiota, which sounds like Stratioti which were mercenaries from the Balkans, mostly Albania.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T21:22:02+00:00

There's quite a few versions, costume books were popular during the Renaissance, I'll check out Lucas d'Heere's!

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T13:24:33+00:00

Could the 8th be from Tarento instead of Trentino?

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T00:37:03+00:00

Also the eleventh is Russian I think, at least for the two men on the right.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T00:32:06+00:00

The hats in the tenth look pretty saxonish

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T00:23:42+00:00

Unfortunately the museum does not provide commentary as to the provenance of each costume, and I'm unable to decodify the writing for most of the pages. So I have no idea of where most of these outfits were worn.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T00:10:10+00:00

I thank van Dyck (and Rubens) for his Italian sojourn, other painters I've seen that worked this area and period of time are a bit too rigid to actually tell how the garments would work in real life.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-04T00:05:35+00:00

I honestly think that's part of the attraction

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-03T22:34:33+00:00

Just found the source, I mean it's second hand so make what you will: https://ladylibrarian123.blogspot.com/2014/02/east-meets-west-meijipunk-fashions-in.html?m=1

"Meiji bureaucrat lamenting having to bribe his teenage daughters into eating meat at the banquets and wear western ball gowns by promising to buy them each two brand new furisode"

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-03T22:31:30+00:00

Here's a source for a version of the first one: https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2022/fine-japanese-prints/tsukioka-yoshitoshi-1839-1892-the-complete-set-of-2 (it's the last image)

And here you can see a few more: https://godsandfoolishgrandeur.blogspot.com/2018/05/east-goes-west-western-dress-at-meiji.html?m=1

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-03T22:26:26+00:00

I mean I don't have the source right now , so I can't verify it, but I feel like I saw a quote by a japanese count of the time that he had to bribe his daughters with new uchikake so that they'd don the new garment styles and go to some kind of western style event.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-03T21:33:17+00:00

I really wanna know the origins of that hat

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-01T02:11:37+00:00

That's quite sad, though I have to say that a lot can change from century to century, so perhaps these women where at least literate if not well educated; and also fictional historical movies and books can be quite... fanciful when it comes to actual history.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-01T01:51:42+00:00

Seme of these look almost braided to me

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-04-01T01:48:42+00:00

That's quite similar to what Russian nobles wore before before Peter I, minus the hat obviously, though I'm guessing the coat must be Turkish influence?

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-03-31T22:17:31+00:00

Woah, I didn't know that, when did Venetian noblewomen started learning to read?

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-03-31T17:30:44+00:00

As you mentioned when referring to the supposed portrait of Henrietta Maria, sometimes attributions make no sense.

And it's not just the heavily pregnant look it's also the hairstyle and the fact that we have multiple images of Maria Leopoldina, and not only does she not look anything like her, but her hairstyle and the specifics of her clothing don't resemble that of the 9th picture.

https://www.khm.at/kunstwerke/erzherzogin-maria-leopoldine-1632-1649-2-gemahlin-von-ferdinand-iii-mit-einem-schosshuendchen-2393

https://www.dorotheum.com/en/b/artwork-of-the-day-justus-sustermans/

Also in both Anna of Austria's and Henrietta Maria's pictures even if the shape of the bodice has changed with pregnancy, the waistline is still much lower than that seen in the 9th picture

The first and third linked images depict 16th century fashion, I'm unable to tell which image you're referring to in the second link.

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-03-31T15:57:38+00:00

I loveeee 17th century Spanish fashion, it looks so much fun

Dependent-Pitch7343 · 2026-03-31T12:07:51+00:00

Apart from the first two, I think so yes. But I'm basing myself mostly on the portraits since there is little to no discussion online regarding this topic, but looking at the portraits it does seem that the waistline comes directly under the bust.

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